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Old 12-11-2012, 11:03   #441
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so true. "never let the muzzle sweep anything you're not prepared to destroy." Shooting yourself in the ass is a bad day. An appendix carry AD could be something entirely more serious.
Plus, it would be embarrassing enough to shoot yourself in the ass, but to shoot yourself in the 'nads... Well, that would just be TOO embarrassing... Funny how we try to protect them even after we've gotten so old that they've probably outlived their usefulness...

And I'm not even factoring in the chance that you might hit the femoral artery and that you could bleed to death before an ambulance could get to you.

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Old 12-11-2012, 11:32   #442
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Maybe I've been around too much too long. I assume if human hands assembled it , there is always the "Human error factor". I'm this way with everything and not just guns.

I inspect and dissect everything , it's my nature.I won't use a power tool before full inspection let alone fill up a mag. and go shooting without full inspection , field strip at least.

I assume everybody is like that so I fail to mention it ! So much for assumption.....!
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There are valid opinions that don't align with Condition 1. Shooting a hole in the wall at home would cause one to wonder if Condition 3 is as"stupid" as some believe.
Now Cond 0 or 1 had nothing to do with this AD, this pistol
had been tampered with rendering the FP safty inoperative
and the cruciform not fully engaged with the striker lug.

Just swapping idea's with you.


Originally Posted by cglaspelGeneral Glocking
Anyways, SO took it to a SECOND Glock Armorer today, and thank goodness I did, I now have an answer,

#1- Firing pin block spring was bent, not straight like it should have been!!!

#2 The "sear" is not engaging the lug on the firing pin assembly properly!!

He says that since both of these issues are there, that It is highly likely that the pistol fired from the "half cocked" position.
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:02   #444
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AMEN, brother. My ego will easily adjust to carrying C3, but shootin' myself 'down there' (or anywhere) is something I don't want to deal with.

I suspect one's ego does get involved in decisions about carry method for some folks. Betting my life, and the safety of others, on the distance and weight of a trigger's pull somehow seems careless to me. But, thats just my point of view, and many others don't see it that way; they're not wrong, but neither am I.
Okay PhotoFeller we know you like and support C3 carry so will you please stop beating it to death on here?
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:31   #445
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:44   #446
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Completely incorrect...





From another discussion in another thread...


How many times do we have to go through this...?
So knowing as much as you do explain how the gun fired by not touching the trigger.

I fail to acknowledge the striker had some how bypassed the Safety Block regardless if what you say is true regarding the striker having enough spring tension to ignite a primer.
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Old 12-11-2012, 13:10   #447
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So knowing as much as you do explain how the gun fired by not touching the trigger.

I fail to acknowledge the striker had some how bypassed the Safety Block regardless if what you say is true regarding the striker having enough spring tension to ignite a primer.
Striker safty block plunger was damaged. The OP's report
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Originally Posted by cglaspel
Anyways, SO took it to a SECOND Glock Armorer today, and thank goodness I did, I now have an answer,

#1- Firing pin block spring was bent, not straight like it should have been!!!

#2 The "sear" is not engaging the lug on the firing pin assembly properly!!

He says that since both of these issues are there, that It is highly likely that the pistol fired from the "half cocked" position.
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Old 12-11-2012, 13:23   #448
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So knowing as much as you do explain how the gun fired by not touching the trigger.

I fail to acknowledge the striker had some how bypassed the Safety Block regardless if what you say is true regarding the striker having enough spring tension to ignite a primer.
As the OP has already posted...
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Anyways, SO took it to a SECOND Glock Armorer today, and thank goodness I did, I now have an answer,

#1- Firing pin block spring was bent, not straight like it should have been!!!

#2 The "sear" is not engaging the lug on the firing pin assembly properly!!

He says that since both of these issues are there, that It is highly likely that the pistol fired from the "half cocked" position.
In short, it was defective. The spring that should have kept the firing pin block in position to properly "block" the striker/firing pin was actually jamming it and effectively defeating/disabling it. That coupled with an improper (i.e., nearly nonexistent) engagement between the "sear" on the trigger bar and the lug on the striker resulted in a perfect recipe for the resulting undesired discharge.
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That's new, a UD to add to AD/ND
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I guess this is why I don't CCW a new gun with out running first then take it all apart fir inspection.

Thank you OP for your story because I don't think any of us would have thought this possible.
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Now Cond 0 or 1 had nothing to do with this AD, this pistol
had been tampered with rendering the FP safty inoperative
and the cruciform not fully engaged with the striker lug.

Just swapping idea's with you.


Originally Posted by cglaspelGeneral Glocking
Anyways, SO took it to a SECOND Glock Armorer today, and thank goodness I did, I now have an answer,

#1- Firing pin block spring was bent, not straight like it should have been!!!

#2 The "sear" is not engaging the lug on the firing pin assembly properly!!

He says that since both of these issues are there, that It is highly likely that the pistol fired from the "half cocked" position.
Let me think...how did we get off on the C1 vs C3 side track?

Anyway, it sounds like the case has been partially solved. Can we say the explanation offered could result in the pistol firing from "half cocked" just by laying it down?

The other question is 'Who damaged the gun'? The final chapter should be very interesting.
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In short, it was defective. The spring that should have kept the firing pin block in position to properly "block" the striker/firing pin was actually jamming it and effectively defeating/disabling it. That coupled with an improper (i.e., nearly nonexistent) engagement between the "sear" on the trigger bar and the lug on the striker resulted in a perfect recipe for the resulting undesired discharge.
Of course, the real question is whether this is something that can occur during the reassembly of a firearm possibly after cleaning. Probably not after a normal field stripping type of cleaning since if that was the case, we probably would have heard of it before. It probably boils down to either it was miisassembled at the factory or it damaged during reassembly by an end user / gunsmith at some point in time after it left the factory. Glock might have excellent quality control, but nothing is 100%.
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The other question is 'Who damaged the gun'? The final chapter should be very interesting.
Indeed, I'm thinking it was a trade in and the original
owner screwed it up.
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This thread is making me nervous about striker fired designs.
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Are you implying that there is something else that your would like to do with a dead horse?

Don't ask, don't tell... Never mind...
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Are you implying that there is something else that your would like to do with a dead horse?

Don't ask, don't tell... Never mind...
That was in response to this post........... you know, beating a dead horse?


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Okay PhotoFeller we know you like and support C3 carry so will you please stop beating it to death on here?
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Okay PhotoFeller we know you like and support C3 carry so will you please stop beating it to death on here?
Actually, I would prefer C1. I've recently purchased a Kahr CW9 that I will eventually carry with a round in the chamber IF/WHEN I get past the notion that its inherently dangerous.

I beat the C3 horse because you guys insist on beating the C1 horse. Your horse is just as dead as mine.
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Actually, I would prefer C1. I've recently purchased a Kahr CW9 that I will eventually carry with a round in the chamber IF/WHEN I get past the notion that its inherently dangerous.

I beat the C3 horse because you guys insist on beating the C1 horse. Your horse is just as dead as mine.
But the Glock is carried in C0, not C1...
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This thread is making me nervous about striker fired designs.

I agree, lol.
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I beat the C3 horse because you guys insist on beating the C1 horse. Your horse is just as dead as mine.
I knew I posted 2 horses for a reason. .General Glocking
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