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Old 12-06-2012, 18:26   #281
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I promise if you ever meet up with a bad guy and he has a gun, you can bet money he's carrying with one in the pipe.
true... but I carry in a serpa..
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Old 12-06-2012, 18:40   #282
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On Glocks...

I've had plenty of well broken-in holsters for M1911s and they would not cause an AD/ND... Hell, some of the holsters didn't even cover the trigger and they never had an AD/ND... Must be that superior, more advanced, safety system of the M1911s...
Not really, being a 1911 guy myself there's more to it.

First you have the grip safty
Second, you carry the 1911 in cond 1 or 2.
3 doesn't count because you can do that with the Glock.

Cond 1, round in the chamber, pistol cocked & locked.
Impossible to fire in this mode.

Cond 2, round in the chamber, hammer down.
.Even if the trigger gets pulled by the holster the
gun won't fire as the hammer is already down
and the FP safty prevents AD if the hammer gets hit.

So, while the safty system on a 1911 is more idiot
proof, keeping your finger out of the trigger gaurd
will be just as safe with a Glock in a good holster.

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Murphys law... that's why I don't ever carry one in the pipe...
Really, that's your 1st post?

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I promise if you ever meet up with a bad guy and he has a gun, you can bet money he's carrying with one in the pipe.
And you'd win that bet.

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true... but I carry in a serpa..
And is that why you dont carry with a round chambered?
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Old 12-06-2012, 19:23   #283
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Heck of a thread.

Something shady about that gun store.

They owe you a free gun, or a visit from the ATF. If indeed they sold you a used botched gun as new.

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Old 12-06-2012, 20:45   #284
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Murphys law... that's why I don't ever carry one in the pipe...
Why do you carry at all...?
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Murphys law... that's why I don't ever carry one in the pipe...
Carry a rock.
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Old 12-06-2012, 22:23   #286
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If this situation is ultimately tied to the origin of sale, I wouldn't want to be them if this happened to me... I'd be the proud owner of several new properly working guns!
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Old 12-06-2012, 23:07   #287
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Old 12-07-2012, 00:48   #288
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finger...just my opinion

not trying to be offensive...but no discharge is an accident...

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Old 12-07-2012, 01:25   #289
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I had a conversation today with one of my buddies that had worked at the store I purchased from, He said that a lot of the times, if they get a pistol on trade that is basically brand new looking and has everything as new, they will sell it as new. Not used.

They also said that depending on who checks the pistols in and logs them, that they will take them apart and clean all the copper lube etc out of them ahead of time. He made it sound like it was a personal choice of that particular employee that did this.

As far as tinkering with them, he said he had never seen anyone do that, but it wouldn't be a surprise to him if that were the case.....

So I at this point am wondering if they sold me a "NEW" gun that wasnt quite new, or somehow got put with the NEW pistols instead of the used pistols. This G23 definitely looked Brand New In Box to me. It was definitely sold to me as a Brand New Glock 23.
Based on what you said; I'd never do business with that shop again. They have no ethics and therefore I would question everything about this or any other firearm you may have purchased from them in the past.

As far as cleaning the copper grease off, what a waste of their time. I can't imagine them taking the time to do this.
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Old 12-07-2012, 03:05   #290
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Can you please post the name of the store?
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Old 12-07-2012, 03:40   #291
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Can you please post the name of the store?
He stated in post #191 :

"Fin, Feather, Fur in Ashland was where I purchased btw"

which would be in Ohio.

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Old 12-07-2012, 05:42   #292
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Just an early morning update.

No word from Glock. Fin has not had much to say to me over the phone besides come into the store with the defective weapon and they will "check it out" and see about a refund etc.... the way this is going I am pretty sure I will not be doing business with them again.

I could see this happening witg a shady small gunshop but not a major retailer.

On a side note, anyone have a ballpark on how long glock takes on average to get back to you once they receive the weapon etc?

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Old 12-07-2012, 05:44   #293
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Also at this point in time, I am looking for a very nice leather or kydex holster, any ideas from you guys? I have been told to get safariland so far.

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Old 12-07-2012, 05:45   #294
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Yep I got my glock from Fin Feather Fur in Ashland Ohio.

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Old 12-07-2012, 05:49   #295
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I am also hoping this thread possibly helps others avoid this situation! Thank you all who have supported and tried to help me with this situation. I really appreciate it.


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Old 12-07-2012, 06:13   #296
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Also at this point in time, I am looking for a very nice leather or kydex holster, any ideas from you guys? I have been told to get safariland so far.

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I mainly use Comp-Tac holsters now a days for IWB/OWB. The Serpa is not a bad holster I have a few laying around. I definitely understand that if I had the same thing happen to me, I would probably never use a Serpa again, even though I highly doubt the holster was the problem. Most AD/NDs with Serpas happen when drawing due to the release button and improper trigger finger placement.

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Old 12-07-2012, 06:52   #297
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Just an early morning update.

No word from Glock. Fin has not had much to say to me over the phone besides come into the store with the defective weapon and they will "check it out" and see about a refund etc.... the way this is going I am pretty sure I will not be doing business with them again.

I could see this happening witg a shady small gunshop but not a major retailer.

On a side note, anyone have a ballpark on how long glock takes on average to get back to you once they receive the weapon etc?

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No way, friend. Don't let that gun shop "check it out." Let Glock check your pistol out first, and then go from there. If your "new" Glock has been modified and linked to this near-tragic event, you are seriously due more than a refund.

You're very blessed that this incident didn't kill anyone, including YOU.
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:10   #298
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Also at this point in time, I am looking for a very nice leather or kydex holster, any ideas from you guys? I have been told to get safariland so far.

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X Concealment Holster - Gen 2 "C"
http://www.flccw.com/X-Concealment/i...5daeba5cce2b41

I got the Gen 2 "C" with belt snaps. Excellent construction with great retention. Probably the most comfortable holster I've bought. Very easy on/off without having to unbuckle my belt.


AHolster - Belt Holster
http://shop.aholster.com/product.sc;...3&categoryId=1

Very well constructed holster with great retention. Very easy to put on and take off without having to unbuckle my belt. It is comfortable, but I like the X Concealment better for comfort.


Garrett Industries - Silent Thunder
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Leather lined kydex that is comfortable with different mounting options available. A little pricey compared to the others, especially if you want to get different mounting options. You can't swap them, you have to buy them separate.

UBG Holsters
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Very good quality leather holster that is comfortable and conceals well. I got the Regulator which has belt snaps for easy on/off without having to unbuckle my belt.

Just to name a few.
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:13   #299
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No way, friend. Don't let that gun shop "check it out." Let Glock check your pistol out first, and then go from there. If your "new" Glock has been modified and linked to this near-tragic event, you are seriously due more than a refund.

You're very blessed that this incident didn't kill anyone, including YOU.
I agree completely, there is no way I would let that shop touch the pistol. I would see if the armorer that found the problems would write a statement.
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:29   #300
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You are missing the dynamic at work here.

If FinF&F sold you a used gun previously fooled with as new, and you returned it to them for analysis and return to Glock, they are unlikely to send it to Glock, since they ALREADY KNOW WTF happened.

They may get it fixed and give it back to you, but they would be nutz to return it to Glock.

Please don't expect to know anything if you involve FF&F in the problem.

Screw you once, not your fault. Let them screw you twice, your own doing.

I wouldn't trust them after this for anything.

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