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Old 12-07-2012, 16:23   #326
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So what was the end result, glock issue or holster issue?

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Old 12-07-2012, 17:30   #327
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That wouldn't tell much, would it? It could have been "sitting in the stock room"...
The casing envelope has the gun's serial number and also, if the casing had a test fire date of say, September 2012, then it'd be safe to say that the gun is new and probably not "used" like the OP is thinking.
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Old 12-07-2012, 18:25   #328
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That holster is worn out & should have been replaced a
long time ago, owner error.



First, I'm no Glock newb.

That is part of the trigger bar and is NOT called a sear
by Glock or any Glock parts source.

I've seen many discriptions of how Glocks function and
they all say the trigger bar function "like" a sear.

When you order that part you ask for or search for a trigger bar.
Search for a sear at Glockparts.com, see what you get.

Call them & ask for a sear, see what they say.

I have the Glock armorers manual and no where
does it mention a sear.
You're right. The parts and nomenclature never refer to the part as a Sear. It is part of the trigger bar.
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Old 12-07-2012, 18:41   #329
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Old 12-07-2012, 18:56   #330
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I did not throw the $@%$ pistol down hard onto the table or anything....I literally set it down like I always do...
the way those things are supposed to be tested, it should not matter how hard you set it down. They're supposed to be able to withstand a fall from a hovering helicopter and still not fire.
Even if you do find something wrong with the holster, STILL consider an issue with the gun, and get it checked out by a smith.
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Old 12-07-2012, 19:02   #331
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You're right. The parts and nomenclature never refer to the part as a Sear. It is part of the trigger bar.
Which functions as a sear by releasing the F P lug. SJ 40
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Old 12-07-2012, 19:03   #332
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The holster was ruled out a few pages ago. I think the OP is waiting on the results from Glock!

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Which functions as a sear by releasing the F P lug. SJ 40
The cruciform section of the trigger bar.
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Old 12-07-2012, 19:28   #334
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Old 12-07-2012, 20:01   #335
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Wow. Just read this thread. I carry and my setup:
- G23
- Blackhawk Serpa holster
- Minus connector w/ NY1 spring
- Polish job on trigger
- I carry C-1

I am new to carry and am going to start carrying C-3 until the OP finds out what happened here.
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Old 12-07-2012, 20:26   #336
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It makes me wonder how many of these "new" Glocks that are sold by gun shops are actually used guns.

For instance you hear about guys buying "new" Glocks with no copper grease. In my experience gun shops and most gun shop employees are pretty damn lazy. I never came across one that cleaned and/or reoiled a "new" gun before selling it to the customer. Especially taking the time to remove all the slathered copper grease.

Guys also will buy a gun fire a box or two of ammo (if that) and throw it in the safe. Then they decide to sell it. Some may screw with it, detail strip it and screw something up in the process. Then they decide to sell it, so they take it off to the gun shop to trade it off.

Well the gun shop sees this basically "brand new" gun and thinks "Looks brand new" "I can sell this as new for more money". So in the case it goes.


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I am new to carry and am going to start carrying C-3 until the OP finds out what happened here.
Might as well just keep the gun at home and carry a bigger knife then. You will be able to run faster and be able to cut a bigger sandwich in half.

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Old 12-07-2012, 20:31   #337
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http://youtu.be/GDpxVG9XFJc

I think Sturm explains it well. As DannyR said; this is certainly not the first time this has happened.
I suppose you can screw around with any
holster and get an AD.
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Old 12-07-2012, 22:28   #338
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I don't recall reading or hearing about any gun firing just by laying it down, without pulling the trigger. The Remington model 700 fiasco was the closest I've heard about, and that involved ADs when the bolt was operated. Remington's public defense was that the trigger mechanism had likely been altered on rifles that malfunctioned, after they were sold.

When all the smoke clears on the OP's case, the answer has to be that (1) someone radically tampered with the gun, and that should be easy to determine by Glock, or (2) the OP somehow mishandled the gun. A holster issue isn't likely in this case based on it's condition as described here. By the way, this is nothing more than my humble opinion based on years of gun ownership.

Guys who have been Glock Talkers for a number of years would be aware if there have been other cases like this one, caused by a design flaw or a manufacturing issue, and the press would have been all over the incidents.

I'm thinking the gun seller let a pistol get out the door that had been damaged or intentionally altered.

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Old 12-07-2012, 22:47   #339
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I am sure. I'm one of the geezers that was a gun nut way way back when the Glock first came out. Gaston intentionally designed the Glock to pre-load the striker enough to fire a round if released from the pre-loaded position. 30 years ago this was common knowledge.
Do you recall why the striker "pre-load" was originally designed to "fire a round if released"? Thanks.
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Old 12-08-2012, 04:30   #340
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This thread is a good example of a reason why some people opt for C3 carry.

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Murphys law... that's why I don't ever carry one in the pipe...

I promise if you ever meet up with a bad guy and he has a gun, you can bet money he's carrying with one in the pipe.
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Old 12-08-2012, 06:27   #341
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Unless someone messed with the internals of the OP's gun, I see no possible way for it to "just went off". How was it Lubed? Could the insides be gummed up with grease or something? Has the trigger housing been tampered with? Even if the firing pin slipped off the cruciform, how would the firing pin get past the firing pin safety without the trigger being pulled? Something just does not add up here.

I believe there is more to the story. I have heard of issues with the Blackhawk holsters. I did not go thru all 340 posts, did the OP ever post pics of the internals of the gun?

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Old 12-08-2012, 06:41   #342
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Unless someone messed with the internals of the OP's gun, I see no possible way for it to "just went off". How was it Lubed? Could the insides be gummed up with grease or something? Has the trigger housing been tampered with? Even if the firing pin slipped off the fulcrum, how would the firing pin get past the firing pin safety without the trigger being pulled? Something just does not add up here.

I believe there is more to the story. I have heard of issues with the Blackhawk holsters. I did not go thru all 340 posts, did the OP ever post pics of the internals of the gun?
No but he is shipping it to Glock,we just have to wait as does the OP for it to return and Glock's findings. SJ 40
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This thread is a good example of a reason why some people opt for C3 carry.



So the bad guy has one in the pipe, what does that have to do with the subject of this tread? Nothing.
So what does your post have to do with the subject to THIS thread? "NOTHING"
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This thread is a good example of a reason why some people opt for C3 carry.

So the bad guy has one in the pipe, what does that have to do with the subject of this tread? Nothing.
Well you brought it up so...........

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Old 12-08-2012, 07:37   #345
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No but he is shipping it to Glock,we just have to wait as does the OP for it to return and Glock's findings. SJ 40
How about aftermarket parts?

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Old 12-08-2012, 07:50   #346
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Hey again guys!

OK so due to the amount of questions and responses it is hard for me to respond to them all, so I apologize if I miss some of them! Also I have been at work all day so no way to post until now.

Anyways, SO took it to a SECOND Glock Armorer today, and thank goodness I did, I now have an answer,

#1- Firing pin block spring was bent, not straight like it should have been!!!

#2 The "sear" is not engaging the lug on the firing pin assembly properly!!

He says that since both of these issues are there, that It is highly likely that the pistol fired from the "half cocked" position. Obviously I am now having him ship this to GLOCK to correct this issue immediately. This is pretty ridiculous that a brand new pistol had these MAJOR defects. I am sure Glock will make it right though.

I have fired the pistol before and never had an issue with it, so IDK how this had not fired while in the holster before....I am just extremely thankful it didnt hurt myself or anyone else!!

Very thankful to a fellow poster here that told me to specifically have my armorer look at these parts closely!!
Ok I read some moe of the posts and see that the issue was found. It was a situation were someone was messing with the internals.

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Old 12-08-2012, 07:58   #347
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Ok I read some moe of the posts and see that the issue was found. It was a situation were someone was messing with the internals.
Except for the fact that what the O P supposedly purchased a new Glock and that may or may not be the case,have to wait and see. SJ 40
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Ok I read some moe of the posts and see that the issue was found. It was a situation were someone was messing with the internals.
Me, too. I missed that post with findings of damage.
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Old 12-08-2012, 08:11   #349
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Somebody should thumbtack this thread on'a inside'a the site outhouse door.
I'd never heard the business about suspicions of, or shying away from, Serpas.
Whew! Like a few've already said: thank God nobody got hurt OP.
'Just as anxious as everybody to see if'a culprit is discovered.

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Old 12-08-2012, 09:01   #350
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My Glock was made October of 2010 from the date code I got from Glock.
Also, They have not got into looking at my pistol yet. Just figured I would update you all!
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