[PAGunner]

Originally Posted by blkt6

Glock is so stupid! The glock is a better shooter but lacks ergonomics , hear that all the time. If they would make a real attempt at ergo's like exchangeable back straps including a flat one and make colored glocks more available there would be no competition!

That and fix the whole BTF issue... Plus add a real single stack to compete with the shield & XDs.

[Markel]

Originally Posted by IllinoisGun

The warning manual slogan inscribed on the slide of the S&W M&P would be the deal breaker for me even if all other variables remained equal.

I stopped buying Rugers years ago for the same reason.

[MSgt Dotson]

I have both a Gen3 Glock 21 and a M&P45/4.5" w/TS, no mag safety. Love them both, but, even with large hands, the Glock feels like a brick, where the M&P feels like Govt Models. Didn't really notice any increased muzzle flip with the S&W, at least not with my hand loads.

[MTS532]

Nice review..
do you have a picture of both, side by side showing the front?so we can see the wider of each? I think the g21 is wider. I would like to buy a .45 in the future but not sure which one yet. the g21 seems big for my medium/small hands...

Sure thing:

[MTS532]

Mo' pics...

Fig. 1. S&W M&P barrel on top.



Fig. 2. Glock frame on top.



Fig. 3. Glock barrel on left.



Fig. 4. M&P Slide assembly, top.

[TacticalTshirtsREP]

I recently was looking at the M&Ps. But the GEN 4 Glocks did so well by me I decided to sell off the M&Ps. To me the GEN 4 Glock 21 is a real winner. I had a Glock 21 some years ago and it was just too slippery in my hand. That and the angle just kinda made me walk away.

The GEN 4 21 is the cat's meow to me. All mine needs is steel sights and it's good to go. I can't wait until they come out with the GEN 4 model 20.

TTR

[MTS532]

The M&P has slightly better chamber support.

[s&wfan]

M&P all day, every day.

[Lone Kimono]

Has anyone ever seen a stress test of the M&P? I've seen tons of test where they have frozen the Glock (and HK45c), put mud in it, thrown it off a roof, etc. Will the M&P be close to that durable? How often will it have to be serviced compared to the Glock? Any accuracy differences?

[TacticalTshirtsREP]

Originally Posted by Lone Kimono

Has anyone ever seen a stress test of the M&P? I've seen tons of test where they have frozen the Glock (and HK45c), put mud in it, thrown it off a roof, etc. Will the M&P be close to that durable? How often will it have to be serviced compared to the Glock? Any accuracy differences?

I don't know of any stress tests off the top of my head. But I'm sure there are some. In my circles, my co-workers run 8-10k rounds a year through M&P 9mms with no issues.

They seem to hold up just as well as Glock.

TTR

[fastbolt]

Originally Posted by Lone Kimono

Has anyone ever seen a stress test of the M&P? I've seen tons of test where they have frozen the Glock (and HK45c), put mud in it, thrown it off a roof, etc. Will the M&P be close to that durable? How often will it have to be serviced compared to the Glock? Any accuracy differences?

When one large fed LE agency authorized their agents to buy M&P's as authorized duty weapons, it was after they'd subjected some models/calibers to a 2-day 10,000 round testing regimen.

The guns have been tested by other agencies for endurance/reliability, as well.

The M&P 45 was originally released last as a commercial model (the order was .40, 9, .357 and then .45). At that time, the M&P 45 had been subjected to exhaustive in-house testing because it was the anticipated submission to the pending (and then suspended) USSOCOM trials - previously the Joint Combat Pistol (JCP) System.

As further in-house & field testing (potential & existing customers) has continued, the M&P has benefited from continuing revisions and minor parts design & manufacturing improvements.