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Old 12-04-2012, 15:44   #21
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I think it depends on the size of your hands. I have girls hands, and whne i bought a G21, it was like holding a brick. I could not get a good grip on it. It was very accurate and reliable when i shot it, but it was always in the back of my mind it might go flying out of my hand one day while shooting.

Then I got my MP45. Grip felt just like my MP9, slim and curved like a supemodel. Shoot just as accurately as the G21. Don't recall ever having a malf with it even though I shoot mostly lead SWC through it.
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Old 12-04-2012, 16:41   #22
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The best thing you can do for you M&P .45 is to install the Apex Tactical DCAEK kit which includes their USB (Ultimate Safety Block), a part that completely removes the gritty trigger. Don't install the trigger spring that comes with the kit... keep the factory OEM spring instead. This will give you a nice 5 pound trigger and a very crisp let off (their hard sear does this).

All of the other information you offered was subjective and this is fine and as it should be as long as the candidate firearms are quality pieces, which both of these are.
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Old 12-04-2012, 18:52   #23
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Thanks for the great comparison. I have a Gen4 G21, but have always been curious about the M&P.
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Old 12-05-2012, 11:09   #24
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S&W makes a 14 round mag for the M&P45

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Old 12-05-2012, 12:55   #25
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Glock is so stupid! The glock is a better shooter but lacks ergonomics , hear that all the time. If they would make a real attempt at ergo's like exchangeable back straps including a flat one and make colored glocks more available there would be no competition!
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Old 12-05-2012, 16:09   #26
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Glock is so stupid! The glock is a better shooter but lacks ergonomics , hear that all the time. If they would make a real attempt at ergo's like exchangeable back straps including a flat one and make colored glocks more available there would be no competition!
That and fix the whole BTF issue... Plus add a real single stack to compete with the shield & XDs.
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Old 12-05-2012, 16:47   #27
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The warning manual slogan inscribed on the slide of the S&W M&P would be the deal breaker for me even if all other variables remained equal.
I stopped buying Rugers years ago for the same reason.
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Old 12-05-2012, 16:59   #28
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I have both a Gen3 Glock 21 and a M&P45/4.5" w/TS, no mag safety. Love them both, but, even with large hands, the Glock feels like a brick, where the M&P feels like Govt Models. Didn't really notice any increased muzzle flip with the S&W, at least not with my hand loads.
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Old 12-05-2012, 18:04   #29
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Nice review..
do you have a picture of both, side by side showing the front?so we can see the wider of each? I think the g21 is wider. I would like to buy a .45 in the future but not sure which one yet. the g21 seems big for my medium/small hands...
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Old 12-06-2012, 12:19   #30
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Mo' pics...

Fig. 1. S&W M&P barrel on top.

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Fig. 2. Glock frame on top.

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Fig. 3. Glock barrel on left.

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Fig. 4. M&P Slide assembly, top.

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Old 12-06-2012, 13:25   #31
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I recently was looking at the M&Ps. But the GEN 4 Glocks did so well by me I decided to sell off the M&Ps. To me the GEN 4 Glock 21 is a real winner. I had a Glock 21 some years ago and it was just too slippery in my hand. That and the angle just kinda made me walk away.

The GEN 4 21 is the cat's meow to me. All mine needs is steel sights and it's good to go. I can't wait until they come out with the GEN 4 model 20.

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Old 12-06-2012, 15:46   #32
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The M&P has slightly better chamber support.

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Old 12-06-2012, 17:22   #33
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:29   #34
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Has anyone ever seen a stress test of the M&P? I've seen tons of test where they have frozen the Glock (and HK45c), put mud in it, thrown it off a roof, etc. Will the M&P be close to that durable? How often will it have to be serviced compared to the Glock? Any accuracy differences?
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Old 12-18-2012, 09:37   #35
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Has anyone ever seen a stress test of the M&P? I've seen tons of test where they have frozen the Glock (and HK45c), put mud in it, thrown it off a roof, etc. Will the M&P be close to that durable? How often will it have to be serviced compared to the Glock? Any accuracy differences?
I don't know of any stress tests off the top of my head. But I'm sure there are some. In my circles, my co-workers run 8-10k rounds a year through M&P 9mms with no issues.

They seem to hold up just as well as Glock.

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Old 12-18-2012, 11:12   #36
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Has anyone ever seen a stress test of the M&P? I've seen tons of test where they have frozen the Glock (and HK45c), put mud in it, thrown it off a roof, etc. Will the M&P be close to that durable? How often will it have to be serviced compared to the Glock? Any accuracy differences?
When one large fed LE agency authorized their agents to buy M&P's as authorized duty weapons, it was after they'd subjected some models/calibers to a 2-day 10,000 round testing regimen.

The guns have been tested by other agencies for endurance/reliability, as well.

The M&P 45 was originally released last as a commercial model (the order was .40, 9, .357 and then .45). At that time, the M&P 45 had been subjected to exhaustive in-house testing because it was the anticipated submission to the pending (and then suspended) USSOCOM trials - previously the Joint Combat Pistol (JCP) System.

As further in-house & field testing (potential & existing customers) has continued, the M&P has benefited from continuing revisions and minor parts design & manufacturing improvements.
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