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Old 02-18-2013, 19:52   #26
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Sad thing is even if he doesn't win it costs glock millions in legal fees just to defend. Probably has already cost them that much!


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Yep. Hence the reason I think they should counter-sue the guy.

I doubt they will retrieve all of their costs, but it's gotta be better than nothing at all, and should set a precedent for anybody thinking about pulling that same BS in the future.
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Old 02-18-2013, 19:55   #27
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Old 02-18-2013, 19:56   #28
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This won't get too far in court. It's just a shame that Glock has to waste its time with this crap.
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Old 02-18-2013, 21:08   #29
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Maybe we should just give Ca. back to Mexico.
Why bother with the gift wrap? They're taking it at an alarming rate as it is!
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Old 02-18-2013, 21:31   #30
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Old 02-18-2013, 21:45   #31
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Shakespeare said, kill all the lawyers.
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"In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress."
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Old 02-18-2013, 21:48   #32
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Yep. Hence the reason I think they should counter-sue the guy.

I doubt they will retrieve all of their costs, but it's gotta be better than nothing at all, and should set a precedent for anybody thinking about pulling that same BS in the future.
I agree.
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Old 02-18-2013, 21:51   #33
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He should be charged with child endangerment.
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Old 02-18-2013, 22:09   #34
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California’s Second District Court of Appeal said on Tuesday that a paralyzed Los Angeles police officer, who was shot by his 3-year-old son, could move forward with his lawsuit again gun manufacturer Glock.

Enrique Chavez’s lawsuit claimed that the Glock 21 had a light trigger and lacked a grip saftey, both of which could have prevented the shooting.

Los Angeles Judge Kevin Brazile dismissed Chavez’s case two years ago, saying that he had failed to show that an alternate gun design would have prevented the shooting. Brazile also said that a police department review of the handgun showed that the advantages outweighed the risk.

But earlier this week, the state appeals court ruled 3-0 that the suit could move forward, according to the San Francisco Chronicle. After reviewing evidence presented by Chavez’s lawyers, the court found that a grip safety “would minimize the risk of accidental discharge without undermining performance.”

In 2006, Chavez’s son accidentally shot him in the back after the off-duty officer forgot that he had left the loaded .45-caliber pistol under the front seat of this Ford Ranger. The child was not in a safety seat at the time.

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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/2...-son-shot-him/

so an off-duty LAPD, who forgot his Glock 21 underneath the front seat of his car and was shot by his three-year old who wasn't in his child safety seat, sues Glock for negligence...
That pretty much says it all. What an idiot.
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Old 02-18-2013, 23:50   #35
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Pier, my 19 has a 5mm trigger pull. And I'm sure most are somewhere around there.

I'd consider that close to being a hair trigger.
I'm not sure how you measure, but the standard glock has a trigger pull of about 1/2" (or 12.7mm) from start to finish with a pull weight of ~5.5 pounds. Hardly a hair trigger. I have shot a couple of 1911's with something in the 2-3 pound range and about 1/16" of travel, much more of a hair trigger.
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Old 02-19-2013, 05:43   #36
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Oh yeah forgot about that one, but that was the fault of the tyre makers if I remember right ??? but still this guy trying to sue over his own stupidity... please....
I agree 100%. My point was that when people like this guy make poor decisions and the result is injury or death, there is always a lawyer willing to make a case no matter how absurd it is. Our legal system is in desperate need of an overhaul to a loser pays system. Then you will see many of these stupid law suits that have no reason to start go away.

As far as the whole Firestone/Ford Explorer mess is concerned, I honestly beleive most if not all of it was frivolous. Most SUV's have a high center point of gravity and are more susceptible to rolling over in a blow out vs. a car. That's just common sense. Also, many people never check their tires for proper inflation/wear until there is a problem, my wife and mother in law included. I would be willing to bet that most if not all of the folks who filed a suit against Firestone/Ford back then poorly maintained their tires/vehicle which resulted in the accidents.

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Old 02-19-2013, 06:02   #37
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Doesn't CA have lawes about leaving a gun in easy reach of minors??

If I was Glock, I'd be pushing that this man be prosecuted then maybe he'd realize his stupidity and drop his suit!

RIDICULOUS!! Leave the loaded gun on the seat and it becomes the guns fault!!???
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Old 02-19-2013, 06:48   #38
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While the Glock does not have a grip safety they are required to supply a GUN LOCK. Glock supplied the safety equipment to prevent the shooting, but he did not use it!
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:27   #39
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California Penal Code section 12035 makes it a crime to leave a firearm in a "premesis" where a child could reasonably get to it. (paraphrased) Is his vehicle a premesis?
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While the Glock does not have a grip safety they are required to supply a GUN LOCK. Glock supplied the safety equipment to prevent the shooting, but he did not use it!
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:05   #41
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He knew when he got the gun what features it had and didn't have. Glock has never, ever claimed that it had a grip safety or a heavy trigger, nor did it ever claim to be safer then pistols that have those features. Didn't he read the owners manual? "keep out of reach of children"
Glocks lawyers will own him in court.

Also I thought there was a law protecting gun manufactures from gunshot wound liability lawsuits. The grabbers own sites claim it as so.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:18   #42
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Revolvers don't have a grip safety and some of them have DA triggers as light as the Glock. Is he going to sue Smith & Wesson, Colt and Ruger?
What an idiot.

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Old 02-19-2013, 08:24   #43
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His negligence is akin to putting a loaded gun in a crib.

He should be jailed.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:37   #44
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I'm not sure how you measure, but the standard glock has a trigger pull of about 1/2" (or 12.7mm) from start to finish with a pull weight of ~5.5 pounds. Hardly a hair trigger. I have shot a couple of 1911's with something in the 2-3 pound range and about 1/16" of travel, much more of a hair trigger.
I haven't measured it, I'm just going by what the specifications for this model says on their site.

If that isn't correct I must have misread it..

I could have swore that it says 5mm tho... now I have to go and double check. lol will report back shortly.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:57   #45
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Who cares what the trigger pull is. It was his gun. His kid. Kis truck. His ammo. His neglect.

He's abusing the system.

What a jerk.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:01   #46
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Your gun. Your responsibility.

If he is not responsible for his gun, than no legal gun owners can be held responsible for what happens with their guns.

I know why he is claiming this, but it doesn't not make it right, or even reasonable.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:32   #47
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bet he don't leave loaded firearms laying around any more...you can't hide stupid!!!
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:35   #48
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OK...NOT to defend the suit, or the action, but the guy is facing a lifetime of unemployability -in all likelihood - and lifetime medical bills which insurance may or may not cover.

Being off-duty, the police dept probably wont offer any support other than moral.

If the guy can get some cash from Glock, I can see why he would try. Litigation is not costing him anything, the attys will front that expense.
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OK...NOT to defend the suit, or the action, but the guy is facing a lifetime of unemployability -in all likelihood - and lifetime medical bills which insurance may or may not cover.

Being off-duty, the police dept probably wont offer any support other than moral.

If the guy can get some cash from Glock, I can see why he would try. Litigation is not costing him anything, the attys will front that expense.
In many of these cases it is actually the health or liability insurance company forcing the guy to sue in order to collect benefits. Insurers are often behind suits like this as a way to try to minimize their payout.

I've heard of numerous people forced to sue friends' home owner's insurance when they take a fall or something. Very strange but true.

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[QUOTE=Pier23;20006218] I can see why he would try. /QUOTE]

Wow. Way to promote the whole welfare mentality and the pervasive attitude of entitlement that is eating at our society like a cancer.

In all fairness to the gene pool, the kid's aim should have been a little "higher."

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