Claims of theft

W420Hunter · 12-01-2012, 13:57

Ok so here is the long and short of the matter. My x and I split on the friday before fathers day. A week latter she got most of her stuff but ended up leaving holiday things and ornaments that her kids had made her. None of it has any real value. Today she starts texting me demanding that I give it back. I have no problem with this but I have to wait till my work allows me, either tue or wed. She has told me that she does not give a damn about my work and if I do not have it ready for her by monday she will file a stolen property report. I have called the local sheriff and they told me that it is a civil matter and all she can do is take me to court. Is this true?

CanIhaveGasCash · 12-01-2012, 14:00

I'm not sure if this applies in Ohio, but theft usually requires an intent to permanently deprive the owner of their property, which you clearly are not trying to do, so it is not theft.

It's definitely a civil matter that law enforcement should not be involved in.

W420Hunter · 12-01-2012, 14:03

Guess it was more long then short lol. And she is just pissed that she found out the night after we broke up I was ****ing her best friend.

Agent6-3/8 · 12-01-2012, 14:19

Definitely civil. She's lucky you haven't thrown it out since you all have been broken up for 6 months.

I hate dealing with domestic BS like this. People, especially women love to use LE as a tool to screw with their boyfriends, husbands, ex's, etc.

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CanIhaveGasCash · 12-01-2012, 14:22

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Originally Posted by Agent6-3/8

Definitely civil. She's lucky you haven't thrown it out since you all have been broken up for 6 months.

I didn't catch that it was that long ago

MarcDW · 12-01-2012, 14:54

Yes, civil matter.
She should have taken it with her when she moved.
Is she on the rental agreement? Not that it makes a difference, but if she could have the door opened when you are not home.

Patchman · 12-01-2012, 15:07

I'm not taking one side or the other, but try to bend over backwards as much as possible, especially after what you did with her best friend.

Why? Because it's true that "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."

Good luck.

DaBigBR · 12-01-2012, 15:14

Civil. If sent on such a call, I'd probably tell her as such and to quit using the police as a tool to mess with you.

W420Hunter · 12-01-2012, 16:19

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Originally Posted by MarcDW

Yes, civil matter.
She should have taken it with her when she moved.
Is she on the rental agreement? Not that it makes a difference, but if she could have the door opened when you are not home.

There is no rental I own my house.

W420Hunter · 12-01-2012, 16:24

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Originally Posted by Patchman

I'm not taking one side or the other, but try to bend over backwards as much as possible, especially after what you did with her best friend.

Why? Because it's true that "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."

Good luck.

Well first off she cheated on me with like 6 people. And next it has not been quit 6 months but not far from. She was going to be brake up on me on fathers day. Her friend told me the friday before and she moved out the following wed.

misunderestimated · 12-01-2012, 16:31

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Originally Posted by Patchman

I'm not taking one side or the other, but try to bend over backwards as much as possible, especially after what you did with her best friend.

Why? Because it's true that "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."

Good luck.

good Simple and smart advice.

How simple would it be to get it safely boxed up and have her pick it up after you leave.

W420Hunter · 12-01-2012, 17:07

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Originally Posted by misunderestimated

good Simple and smart advice.

How simple would it be to get it safely boxed up and have her pick it up after you leave.

It is already boxed up but I just do not want her around my house. I talked to my boss and I am going to get off early tomorrow so I think I am going to drop it off at her moms house. Is there anything I should do to protect myself to prove I gave it to her mom?

VA27 · 12-01-2012, 17:46

Video.

MarcDW · 12-01-2012, 17:53

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Originally Posted by W420Hunter

There is no rental I own my house.

Sorry for my assumption.
As a general advise, don't meet her by yourself and record every meeting (as long as your state does not prohibits it).
Best would be if you have a neutral friend gives her her stuff.
She is bitter and out to get you!!

W420Hunter · 12-01-2012, 18:03

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Originally Posted by MarcDW

Sorry for my assumption.
As a general advise, don't meet her by yourself and record every meeting (as long as your state does not prohibits it).
Best would be if you have a neutral friend gives her her stuff.
She is bitter and out to get you!!

well if I had her come get it I was going to have a cop or sheriff there. Could I have a cop there when i dropped it off at her moms? That way there is some one to prove that I did not just drop it off take the video of me doing it and then take the stuff back?

MarcDW · 12-01-2012, 18:08

I don't know Ohio.
In Maine LE does not do "hand overs" unless you pay for an off duty officer.
Just give it to a friend who drops it off at her moms.
After this don't respond to any calls from her.

W420Hunter · 12-01-2012, 18:43

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Originally Posted by MarcDW

I don't know Ohio.
In Maine LE does not do "hand overs" unless you pay for an off duty officer.
Just give it to a friend who drops it off at her moms.
After this don't respond to any calls from her.

The problem with that is the only one of her friends that I am friends with does not have a car. The rest of them have dropped her or hate me.

razdog76 · 12-01-2012, 19:09

As others have mentioned it is clearly a civil matter. I would absolutely not deliver it anywhere, and would not call her anymore for any reason... too much opportunity to mince words.

The property was clearly abandoned after six months, but as Patchman mentioned, you will probably not get any bonus points dumping it in the trash.

My advice is to type up a letter on your computer advising her that her property was left at your residence, with some reasonable dates/times convenient for you when she, or an agent may pick it up, and let her know if she does not pick it up by whatever date and time it will be disposed of (donated to a charity, or circular file). Send it certified mail, and when you get the return either save it, or scan it into you computer.

If you believe this is really an issue, take a pic of the property and hold on to it for two years, and/or record the conversation when whoever picks it up, which is completely legal in Ohio so far as ONE person in the conversation knows it is being recorded.

Good luck

blueiron · 12-01-2012, 19:38

It is all meaningless until a judge states who owns what.

razdog76 · 12-01-2012, 19:45

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Originally Posted by blueiron

It is all meaningless until a judge states who owns what.

And as blueiron so eloquently puts it... essentially meaning there is no free ride living together and not being married when separating assets. She can file a case in Domestic Relations Court, highly unlikely she will win with the circumstances you provided, but nevertheless.

We as LEO's cannot determine who's lamp that is, and who's Christmas ornament that is...

W420Hunter · 12-01-2012, 19:52

What about a letter signed by her mom that I left the stuff there would that be good enough?

W420Hunter · 12-01-2012, 19:53

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Originally Posted by razdog76

And as blueiron so eloquently puts it... essentially meaning there is no free ride living together and not being married when separating assets. She can file a case in Domestic Relations Court, highly unlikely she will win with the circumstances you provided, but nevertheless.

We as LEO's cannot determine who's lamp that is, and who's Christmas ornament that is...

She can have all the boxes in the closet she is asking for I could care less about that.

blueiron · 12-01-2012, 19:55

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Originally Posted by W420Hunter

What about a letter signed by her mom that I left the stuff there would that be good enough?

It is meaningless.

Once you decide to live with or marry another person, the onus of deciding who owns what falls to a Judge when it no longer is an amiable relationship.

You can have all the documents that you want and she'll claim they were all obtained under duress. Square one all over again.

blueiron · 12-01-2012, 20:02

Here is a bit of sage advice, whether you care for it or not.

Never live with anyone else while in the jurisdiction of any court with in the United States. You have virtually no rights and she has popular opinion on her side. Unless you are willing to marry her and even then, you are screwed. I'll spell it out - SCREWED.

Women have all the rights and you, as a male, have nothing but obligations and debts. This started in the 1960s and has continued on to today. I personally don't agree with it, but that is the way many States are. The minute you moved in, was the minute you threw all property rights out the window.

blueiron · 12-01-2012, 20:11

I'll say this much. Had you stolen her property, you'd have more rights than you do now. Having an encounter with her friend only makes you more loathesome in her eyes and in the eyes of others.

Whether you deserve it or not, be prepared for storm of injustice that is coming your way.