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Old 11-28-2012, 18:13   #176
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Then you're a messed-up human being. We have no pets now, though used to have a cat or two in the past. They are animals, no more, no less. And I hate (HATE) dogs; would pay money to shoot them.
Oh well, who needs objectivity to render a useful opinion?

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Old 11-28-2012, 18:28   #177
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Then you're a messed-up human being. We have no pets now, though used to have a cat or two in the past. They are animals, no more, no less. And I hate (HATE) dogs; would pay money to shoot them.
I'd pay money to shoot people who'd pay money to shoot dogs...literally true. We all have our own point of view.
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Old 11-28-2012, 18:32   #178
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I'd pay money to shoot people who'd pay money to shoot dogs...literally true. We all have our own point of view.
Cheers to that. And I would double whatever money you'd put in.

To the "animals are less than people" crowd: read the headlines from your local newspaper. There are more people in there acting like animals.

Animals don't put babies in microwaves, don't open concentration camps, don't kill for pleasure, don't invent nuclear weapons, don't invent thousands of religions and kill one another in the name of their myths, and they most certainly don't destroy the very earth they depend on for life.

I'd say much of the human race behaves far more disgustingly than any dog I've ever known.

And animals don't listen to Glenn Beck.

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Old 11-28-2012, 18:36   #179
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You don't know a thing about this family, and the only scenario being created is the one you are making up in your own head. You imagine yourself as surrounded by no good city slicker yuppies, you put words in their mouths (while ignoring their arguments), and you've decided -- on your own, in you imagination -- how this tragedy went down. People have explained to you again and again how this family didn't die trying to save a dog, and you've ignored them with all the maturity and intellect of a four year old covering their ears and shouting "LA LA LA I can't hear you."

You're the only one who's insisted this family raised their children to believe a dog is as valuable as a human. If that's how they raise their kids, why didn't the daughter jump in, too? If that's how they raise their kids, why did the son give up on saving their dog? If the family believes dogs are worth as much as humans, why didn't they all jump in when the doggie hit the water?

The plain truth is that they didn't. A 16 year old boy, somewhat impetuously (as we expect from 16 year old boys) lost something in the water that was precious to him, and decided to jump in after it. That's what 16 year old boys do, they make poor decisions on the spur of the moment. It doesn't matter that it was a dog. It could have been an expensive pair of sunglasses, it could have been a set of keys on a floatie keyring, hell, the kid might have been dared to go for a swim (because, again, that's what teenagers do).

Everything that happened after that -- everything -- wasn't about a dog or about those kids being raised poorly, it was about a family that loved each other and tried to save one another from dangerous waters. And that? That is nobility. "Greater love hath no man," ringing any bells?

It's pretty execrable, twisting what happened and insulting their memory this way, just to start an argument on the internet.


Yeah. You would pay money to shoot dogs, and the other guy is a messed up human being? You've got a few wires crossed, buddy.


This is a family that died leaping into the ocean to try and save one another, and you're doing to sully it with something so crass and banal as that, to try and earn a few internet tough guy points? Shame on you. Plain and simple: shame.

And to those who insist an animal isn't worth another human being's life -- any human being's life -- with such absolution? Bullcrap. How many of you also insist you'd use lethal force on someone who was trying to rob you (so that a wallet is worth someone's life)? How many of you also say you'd use lethal force on a stranger in your house (so that your sense of fear, but mostly your property rights, are worth someone's life)? There are lots of things society decides are worth a human being's life, depending on the scenario. And if it's a human being freely choosing, of their own volition, to risk their life in order to save something precious to them -- why does it matter if that "something" is a dog? It's their life. They can try to save whoever, or whatever, they want with it.
This deserves a repost. Crit, it's good to see you in the lounge again, it's been a while. And with threads like this, it's no wonder you've been absent.

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Old 11-28-2012, 18:41   #180
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What a strage take on this event. First, how do you conclude they equated the dog with a human? Second, how to you make the jump they knew jumping in the water was life threatening? The teen getting into crisis in the water is when the severity of the situation became apparent, the family then perished trying to save each other.
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Old 11-28-2012, 18:51   #181
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And animals don't listen to Glenn Beck.
Or vote Democrat
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Old 11-28-2012, 18:55   #182
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Ironically, the only survivor was the dog. When people overly anthropomorphize animals into pseudo-humans, this sort of thing happens. No dog is worth the death of an entire family.
Wow.


No, I would not equate my dogs to my children, but my dogs are my friends. They have proven that they will jeopardize themselves for me and the kids already. They are my friends, and I am theirs.

I would not risk the death of one of my kids to save one of my dogs, but I might seriously consider serious injury to myself to save them if I thought I had a decent chance of getting away with it. I'd choose their lives over that of a human home invader in a heartbeat. In that, the lives of my dogs are worth more than some human lives.
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Old 11-28-2012, 19:00   #183
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Wow.


No, I would not equate my dogs to my children, but my dogs are my friends. They have proven that they will jeopardize themselves for me and the kids already. They are my friends, and I am theirs.

I would not risk the death of one of my kids to save one of my dogs, but I might seriously consider serious injury to myself to save them if I thought I had a decent chance of getting away with it. I'd choose their lives over that of a human home invader in a heartbeat. In that, the lives of my dogs are worth more than some human lives.

I think the OP was trying to say that, when the family realized one of them had gone in after the dog, they should have said "Oh well, if the kid is that dumb the gene pool is better off", and not tried to save him.

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Old 11-28-2012, 19:00   #184
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Wow.


No, I would not equate my dogs to my children, but my dogs are my friends. They have proven that they will jeopardize themselves for me and the kids already. They are my friends, and I am theirs.

I would not risk the death of one of my kids to save one of my dogs, but I might seriously consider serious injury to myself to save them if I thought I had a decent chance of getting away with it. I'd choose their lives over that of a human home invader in a heartbeat. In that, the lives of my dogs are worth more than some human lives.
Stop being reasonable and taking a rational approach to assigning value to things, that just won't do according to the OP and a select few folks who spent one too many weekends in the basement pulling the wings off of flys.....(you know who you are md2lgyk)......

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Old 11-28-2012, 19:08   #185
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I would not risk the death of one of my kids to save one of my dogs, but I might seriously consider serious injury to myself to save them if I thought I had a decent chance of getting away with it.
I see where you're coming from...and that sounds pretty reasonable.

If you have any children, they would likely disagree with that though, simply because they care for you more than any dog.

I have 4 Catahoula Leopard dogs that I use to hunt hogs, all of which are approaching 10 years old now. I love them to death, my kids love them to death, and they'd die for me in the woods (a couple almost have). However, my kids want and need me here more than they need those dogs, so if there's even a chance my life would be at risk or I might end up a cripple trying to save one of them...it's just not happening.
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Old 11-28-2012, 19:15   #186
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According to this site and their interpretation,

http://civilliberty.about.com/od/gun...a-Gun-Laws.htm





"Louisiana’s castle law permits the use of physical force to protect one’s self and property from “forcible crimes” and the use of deadly force in situations where circumstances are sufficient “to excite the fear of a reasonable person that there would be serious danger to his own life or person if he attempted to prevent the felony without the killing.” The statute has a “stand your ground” clause in that it does not require victims to retreat before using force, whether they’re inside their home or any other place they have a right to be."
Okay, that makes since. Thanks. I suppose if someone is nuts enough come and shoot my dog while I'm throwing the ball with him, heat just be nuts enough to do the same toe, so I suppose that would cause a reasonable man to fear for his life.
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Old 11-28-2012, 19:24   #187
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Okay, that makes since. Thanks. I suppose if someone is nuts enough come and shoot my dog while I'm throwing the ball with him, heat just be nuts enough to do the same toe, so I suppose that would cause a reasonable man to fear for his life.
Well, if he's opened fire on your dog in close proximity to you, the dog means nothing at that point...you can shoot him in self-defense of yourself because he's clearly nuts.

It's been stated several times that LA self-defense laws are the best in the country. Lethal force is authorized anytime to prevent a "forcible felony". That means against you, or even to protect someone else. Many people who don't know what a forcible felony is have asked me what that means.

The way I explain it to them is: If the person you're seeing would be justified in using a firearm to defend themselves at that moment, you are authorized to use your firearm on their behalf to save their life.

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Old 11-28-2012, 19:30   #188
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Okay, that makes since. Thanks. I suppose if someone is nuts enough come and shoot my dog while I'm throwing the ball with him, heat just be nuts enough to do the same toe, so I suppose that would cause a reasonable man to fear for his life.
Y'all have comprehension issues doncha?

You need to find someone who can spell out your State's laws for you.

If you had an incorrect idea about when you COULDN'T use deadly force (and a stranger on the internet had to correct you) then it is reasonable to assume your idea of when you CAN use deadly force might be equally as flawed.

that's what some folks call "a bad thing".
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Old 11-28-2012, 19:30   #189
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What does my being a carnivore have to do with my pets?

Do you eat your pets on a regular basis?

My pets give me comfort and entertainment. My pets don't vote for Democrats or Republicans. My pets don't go and rape & kill others because of religious beliefs.
I had a daschund that would rape any stuffed animal he could get his paws on.

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Well, if he's opened fire on your dog in close proximity to you, the dog means nothing at that point...you can shoot him in self-defense of yourself because he's clearly nuts.

It's been stated several times that LA self-defense laws are the best in the country. Lethal force is authorized anytime to prevent a "forcible felony". That means against you, or even to protect someone else. Many people who don't know what a forcible felony is have asked me what that means.

The way I explain it to them is: If the person you're seeing would be justified in using a firearm to defend themselves at that moment, you are authorized to use your firearm on their behalf to save their life.
I was wondering about the way the Statute was written because it seems to imply that you can use force to prevent an assault against yourself or property and Deadly force against a felonious attempt at same sooo,

If the "other party uses, or threatens to use force in the comission of an assault against you or your property that would raise the level of their actions TO a felony, ergo deadly force would be justified.
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I think it'd be accurate to say that anyone as cold as the op has a problem understanding the concept of unconditional love. Essentially, their senses of awareness need to be augmented a bit before they can feel that sort of love, since their sense of love is limited to other humans.

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Y'all have comprehension issues doncha?

You need to find someone who can spell out your State's laws for you.

If you had an incorrect idea about when you COULDN'T use deadly force (and a stranger on the internet had to correct you) then it is reasonable to assume your idea of when you CAN use deadly force might be equally as flawed.

that's what some folks call "a bad thing".
Well, seeing as how my info was based on my CHP instructor saying "You can't shoot someone that shot your dog", I'd say that my first statement was pretty accurate, but your quote made since. I'm definitely not going to take some stranger on the internet's comment as stone cold legal fact. Of course I'll look into it myself. And who are "y'all"? I'm one man.
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Old 11-28-2012, 20:02   #193
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The way I explain it to them is: If the person you're seeing would be justified in using a firearm to defend themselves at that moment, you are authorized to use your firearm on their behalf to save their life.
That's almost the exact quote.

http://legis.state.la.us/lss/newwin.asp?doc=78358
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Old 11-28-2012, 20:05   #194
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Well, seeing as how my info was based on my CHP instructor saying "You can't shoot someone that shot your dog", I'd say that my first statement was pretty accurate, but your quote made since. I'm definitely not going to take some stranger on the internet's comment as stone cold legal fact. Of course I'll look into it myself. And who are "y'all"? I'm one man.
I have a heck of a feeling that the instructor was saying "you can't shoot someone because they shot your dog".

That is, of course, a different issue.
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I see where you're coming from...and that sounds pretty reasonable.

If you have any children, they would likely disagree with that though, simply because they care for you more than any dog.

I have 4 Catahoula Leopard dogs that I use to hunt hogs, all of which are approaching 10 years old now. I love them to death, my kids love them to death, and they'd die for me in the woods (a couple almost have). However, my kids want and need me here more than they need those dogs, so if there's even a chance my life would be at risk or I might end up a cripple trying to save one of them...it's just not happening.
I have a pointer and a mut that looks like a miniature german shepherd, but with a meaner attitude.

I've killed well over 200 feral hogs over the last 3 years. Trapping, in fields, and at feeders. We don't use the dogs, they are better suited for birds.

If I thought I could get away with it, I'd still take a reasonable risk. I've risked a lot more for people I didn't know in the past. I guess it's all relative, and about personal choices.

Hard to be certain without being put in that position.
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I have a heck of a feeling that the instructor was saying "you can't shoot someone because they shot your dog".

That is, of course, a different issue.
You can use deadly force in the protection of tangible property here in Texas, against theft OR damage.

just sayin'

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Old 11-28-2012, 20:19   #197
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You can use deadly force in the protection of tangible property here in Texas, against theft OR damage.

just sayin'
But if you come home and find that your neighbor shot your dog you cannot go to the neighbor's house and shoot him.

Of coourse you are talking about Texas so I may be on shakey ground

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I have a heck of a feeling that the instructor was saying "you can't shoot someone because they shot your dog".

That is, of course, a different issue.
Well, of course...they would have to be in the process of shooting your dog, and it would also have to be on your property though as LA has leash laws. If your dog is in somebody elses yard outside city limits, it's fair game and you can't do much about it.

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But if you come home and find that your neighbor shot your dog you cannot go to the neighbor's house and shoot him.

Of coourse you are talking about Txas so I may be on shaky ground

just sayin


Kinda depends on how that conversation goes when you "talk" to him about it.

I would make it my personal mission in life to ensure that someone that hurts one of my dogs like that lives a long and miserable life. I have enough assets to keep him in and out of court for years.
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This deserves a repost. Crit, it's good to see you in the lounge again, it's been a while. And with threads like this, it's no wonder you've been absent.

It's appreciated, Grunt, and nice to be back. And threads like this is just the internet bein' the internet, nothing to take too personally or log off over. My absence has been more to do with that annoying "real life" stuff keeping me busy (grad school and being a professor and a freelance writer all take a lot of work, who knew?!).

The worst part of all this in my opinion, the ugliest bits of the nonchalance and utter lack of empathy or sympathy being spewed by the OP, is his avatar and sig-lines.
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