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Old 11-26-2012, 22:54   #61
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I agree that it's been established that the family members perished attempting to save eachother after the boy went in after the dog.

I'd like to add that, like NEOH212 points out, if you've never really connected with an animal in your life, you probably have no concept of the experience and, for some, may not ever have the pleasure of developing that kind of unique connection.

One fact has always been very clear and profound to me: I know beyond the shadow of any doubt that my dog/dogs would absolutely give 'their' lives for 'me' without hesitation if they sensed that I was in real trouble.

That fact alone, for me, is plenty motivation for me to do the same. In the moment that a loved one's life is teetering on the edge of a cliff, all man-made rules and reputations go right out the window. It is our truest nature and yet it is foreign to so many.

As someone else stated, I believe animals show us constantly how humans could/should be. Most of the things on Earth that arrogant humans look down upon as lower life forms are actually way above us in many ways.
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Old 11-26-2012, 22:59   #62
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As someone else stated, I believe animals show us constantly how humans could/should be. Most of the things on Earth that arrogant humans look down upon as lower life forms are actually way above us in many ways.
You will never be able to explain that to the people who need to hear it the most. The people who are an embarrassment to the rest of us humans.
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Old 11-26-2012, 23:08   #63
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This thread was started on a false premise, a twisting of the facts and flawed logic so egergious that it has forced me to go to an horrifying extreme---I am forced to agree with "gunhaver".

The "rescue was a cluster *****. started by the boy going after the dog BUT I have to ask, unless this kid was raised on a farm and used to killing his 4-H projects, would it be considered "normal" for a kid to just watch a family pet die?

Don't we generally get concerned about kids who can watch animals die?

It was the job of the parents to be "in charge" at the beach. It is a dangerous place and I live very close to the same type of beach. It is not a place where you can afford not to pay attention. Several things failed, but a kid being concerned about his pet wasn't the stupid part of the tragedy.
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Old 11-26-2012, 23:14   #64
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That may be your personal belief, but it isn't mine.

I'd risk my life to save my pets. I don't necessarily feel the same about other humans or even some of my own family members.
I've jumped through ice to save a dog and kicked a foaming racoon with sandals to save a horse. I also cracked a beer when the punk kid down the next road was life-flighted away after trying to steal stuff from a utility substation. Still have the dog, the horse made it to 28 and the kid steers his chair with his tongue and I sleep well at night. HH
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Old 11-26-2012, 23:24   #65
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I've jumped through ice to save a dog and kicked a foaming racoon with sandals to save a horse. I also cracked a beer when the punk kid down the next road was life-flighted away after trying to steal stuff from a utility substation. Still have the dog, the horse made it to 28 and the kid steers his chair with his tongue and I sleep well at night. HH
I really don't know how I could agree with you any more than I do now.
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Old 11-26-2012, 23:27   #66
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No animal is worth risking even the most worthless human life over IMO. I love my dog and cat, but the only way I'd try to save them is if there was no risk to my life. Animals do not have a soul. Even the most worthless human has a soul and possibly one day they will come to know Jesus and be saved. No animal can ever do that.
What about risking a human life over other physical property? How about risking other peoples life over physical property?

People do it every day: People put their own lives and the lives of others at risk for silly stupid reasons, many/most arguably far, far more frivolous than trying to save a pet.

Do you live a live trying to avoid ALL risk? What extremes do you take this approach?

(Keep in mind this question is coming from a professional risk manager.)
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Old 11-26-2012, 23:29   #67
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Just maybe they were confident that their lives wouldn't be at stake swimming after the dog, boy, dad. The thought might have been they were going to get wet, cold, and inconvenienced, but it would all come out right giving a helping hand to dog, boy, dad.
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Old 11-26-2012, 23:39   #68
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I'd let any number of rapists, murderers, child abusers, terrorists, and just plain old ass holes drown if it meant saving my dog, cats, horses... hell, even the fish and snakes. And TV. My stuff is more important to me than someone who doesn't care enough about their own life to bother living like a decent human being.
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Old 11-26-2012, 23:50   #69
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I love my dog and cat, but the only way I'd try to save them is if there was no risk to my life.
And here we have it. This is closer to the truth than what a lot of people here have posted. Sure, most people care about their pets immensely...but now back to reality.

Put in that situation, 99% of everyone here aren't running into any house engulfed in flames to save their pets...they will stand on the lawn and watch their house burn down in disbelief like everyone else.

It doesn't mean they don't care, humans have a natural instinct to survive...and it supersedes pulling movie stunts to save animals.

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Old 11-26-2012, 23:54   #70
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And here we have it. This is closer to the truth than what a lot of people here have posted. Sure, most people care about their pets immensely...but now back to reality.

Put in that situation, 99% of everyone here aren't running into any house engulfed in flames to save their pets...they will stand on the lawn and watch their house burn down in disbelief like everyone else.

It doesn't mean they don't care, humans have a natural instinct to survive...and it supersedes pulling movie stunts to save animals.
When I was 13 that exact thing happened and I went back in after the dog. Dad went in after me, but the story had a happier ending.
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Old 11-27-2012, 00:05   #71
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When I was 13 that exact thing happened and I went back in after the dog. Dad went in after me, but the story had a happier ending.
I'd hope my kids (especially teenagers) are smart enough to not run back into a house engulfed in flames.
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Old 11-27-2012, 00:15   #72
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One of the things that makes me get up and go to work every day is to see the complete loyalty and trust that our cats display in me that I will provide for them.

I don't know anyone else including my wife who have that kind of complete loyalty and trust in me.

I would go to hell and back for any of our pets.

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(I guess that makes me a loon too!)

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Old 11-27-2012, 00:16   #73
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I'd hope my kids (especially teenagers) are smart enough to not run back into a house engulfed in flames.
There are those will will risk and those who won't.

Dad was going back in but he was trying to calm my hysterical mother so I went.

I was raised knowing that risk was a part of life and worst thing a man could be called was a coward.

I have never had much use for a man who thinks his skin is the most valuable thing in the world.
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Old 11-27-2012, 00:17   #74
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Old 11-27-2012, 00:20   #75
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I'm not sure that the family members even realized the danger when the son went after the dog and the mom and son subsequently went in after the dad. 8-10 foot waves aren't necessarily all that fearsome looking and many folks don't realize how powerful the undercurrents can be that are associated with such waves.

They figure that since they are very close to shore to begin with, the worst that can happen is they get knocked down and thrown back towards the beach. A lot of folks don't understand that the wave action can create powerful currents that will quickly drag you AWAY from shore.

My guess is that the kid went into the water thinking "I'll just grab the pooch and drag him back. Worst that can happen is I get tossed around a bit". I doubt he thought he was making a life-threatening decision in the first place.

Everything that happened afterwards was a tragic series of events involving humans trying to save other beloved HUMAN members of the famiy, not the pet.
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Old 11-27-2012, 00:25   #76
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And here we have it. This is closer to the truth than what a lot of people here have posted. Sure, most people care about their pets immensely...but now back to reality.

Put in that situation, 99% of everyone here aren't running into any house engulfed in flames to save their pets...they will stand on the lawn and watch their house burn down in disbelief like everyone else.

It doesn't mean they don't care, humans have a natural instinct to survive...and it supersedes pulling movie stunts to save animals.
I 'd take death over living with the guilt of knowing I stood idly by on my front lawn as my best friend burned to death inside my residence.
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So, how many "Hello Kitty" pistols do you own?




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Old 11-27-2012, 00:34   #78
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I'm not gonna die over any animal! Got a dog, he's become more trouble Than he's worth the past couple months, honestly wish I never got him. If somebody said it's you orthe dog buddy, I'd say take him then.
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Old 11-27-2012, 00:50   #79
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There are those will will risk and those who won't.

Dad was going back in but he was trying to calm my hysterical mother so I went.

I was raised knowing that risk was a part of life and worst thing a man could be called was a coward.

I have never had much use for a man who thinks his skin is the most valuable thing in the world.
A burning house is dangerous even for firefighters to enter, much less people with no training or proper gear. It's the same reason firefighters go into burning houses for people first...they don't want to end up in the obituaries over someone's dog.



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I 'd take death over living with the guilt of knowing I stood idly by on my front lawn as my best friend burned to death inside my residence.
Assessing risks is part of life. If both of you burned to death because you failed, it doesn't make you a hero...it says you made a poor decision. I don't know about you, but I have a wife and kids...and they don't want me risking my life over a pet.
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So, how many "Hello Kitty" pistols do you own?




J/K
I'll never tell.....


Now my Hello Kitty PJ's.....
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