[countrygun]

Originally Posted by Kilrain

He won't answer because his critical thinking skills are non-existent and his position is untenable.

Fun to watch him squirm around though.........

Heck, he won't even admit that people can drown at the beach without a dog being involved.

He still won't share with us how he knows what the kid was thinking

[Kilrain]

Originally Posted by Lone Wolf8634

Oh he don't squirm.

He'll just keep insisting he's right till every one:

A. loses interest

or

B. The thread gets locked.

Perhaps "squirm" wasn't the best choice, perhaps contort or distort or convulse are more appropriate considering his ridiculous attempts at making some type of logical or even understandable point.

I stand corrected, thanks for pointing it out.

[Lone Wolf8634]

Originally Posted by countrygun

He still won't share with us how he knows what the kid was thinking

He has amazing powers of obfuscation!!

[Lone Wolf8634]

Originally Posted by Kilrain

Perhaps "squirm" wasn't the best choice, perhaps contort or distort or convulse are more appropriate considering his ridiculous attempts at making some type of logical or even understandable point.

I stand corrected, thanks for pointing it out.

[countrygun]

Originally Posted by Lone Wolf8634

He has amazing powers of obfuscation!!

Omniscience is such a heavy burden, he just must share his revalations with us.

[Critias]

Originally Posted by Kingarthurhk

If that value system weren't there, he wouldn't have gone in. I have evidence based on an actualy occurance. You and he have...?

You have no evidence. You have an assumption. You are assuming that he went in because he loved the dog like it was a person; as has been pointed out to you in this thread, by myself and several others, there is no reason to think that.

People jump into the ocean to chase frisbees. They jump into the ocean to recover hats. They go after sunglasses, they go in just to go swimming. According to you, they then must think their frisbee is human, or their hat, or pair of shades. Surely you can acknowledge how ridiculous that is?

And -- again, please pay attention -- the young man did not die going in after his dog.

Here, I'll say it again: This young man did not die going in after his dog. Every family member that died in those waters went in trying to save one another. You have refused to acknowledge this fact, despite it, too, being stated over and over again. How can you blame those who insist you're no longer arguing in good faith?

And here you are, twisting that into something you can use to insult their memory. And you do so while sporting that avatar, and those signature texts. You are shameful, and do my faith no favors.

[Rodman]

Kingarthurhk, i respect your opinion but i disagree with you assuming what the 16 year olds thought process was at the time. people do all sorts of things for different reasons, in tragedy most people do things off of adrenaline and through their subconcious. he could of done what he did simply because he loved his dog, reacted and the unfortunate outcome was terrible for everyone. i dont know if you have ever been in situations where you didnt know if you were going make it out or not? i have been in ones that i went into willingly and others that just happened. either way you dont think you react. luckily for me i have always been the type of person who mentally prepares for things since i was a young boy. i grew up in a very bad part of Boston so i am originally from the city, you would have probably called me a city slicker lol. i have seen the best and worst of people in ways you most likely can not fathom, things that you probably wouldnt believe if i told you. i also though have lived the last 20 years in the country. worked on a ranch and have had to kill 4 legged creatures for different reasons. never once did i want to do it but i had no other choice and i will not let things suffer. but anyhow with out going into too long and detailed story i dont agree that a humans life is any more valueable in the big picture than any other living creature. if you have spent lots of time in nature you will see, that all things that man has created aside, if we died out there as prey or whatever the situation it changes absolutley nothing. just be happy you woke up this morning but never assume you will have tomorrow. i try to never assume, its a bad habit.

i am telling you this from my experiences with life. alot of them were not good experiences in most peoples eyes but i would havent changed a thing as i learned so much from them. on flip side i do have a very strong bond with my family love them all and my animals, i would protect them with everything that i have to offer but that is how i choose to live my life. i also would protect you or most people and animals if need be but that doesnt mean that i like you or agree with your opinion of life thats just who i am. i know what i can live with and what i cant.