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Old 11-26-2012, 10:48   #1
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Rifle jammed, she laughed, so he killed her with a pistol

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Open Carry would have prevented this...

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Open Carry would have prevented this...

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They broke into his house...and he capped them...the guy screwed up by not contacting the cops ASAP. Hope he doesn't get screwed too bad, but am afraid they'll make an example of him.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:00   #5
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He played the stupid game. Now... he get the stupid prize.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:02   #6
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MN state law

609.065 JUSTIFIABLE TAKING OF LIFE.
The intentional taking of the life of another is not authorized by section 609.06, except when necessary in resisting or preventing an offense which the actor reasonably believes exposes the actor or another to great bodily harm or death, or preventing the commission of a felony in the actor's place of abode.
History: 1963 c 753 art 1 s 609.065; 1978 c 736 s 1; 1986 c 444

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They broke into his house...and he capped them...the guy screwed up by not contacting the cops ASAP.
I'd argue he screwed up by, you know, executing them with headshots after they were already down.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:05   #8
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That's just a weird situation. Makes me think there is more to it than reported.
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If it was a shoot, fall down the stair, and immediately shoot again, “as they were trying to get up to come at me”, then he would be fine.

Him shooting, then waiting, then doing a head shot, then waiting a day to call the cops is going to get him screwed.
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They broke into his house...and he capped them...the guy screwed up by not contacting the cops ASAP. Hope he doesn't get screwed too bad, but am afraid they'll make an example of him.
When he said to the cops "I wanted him dead" and "I shot her more than I needed to"...well...I can't say that I have much sympathy for the old dude.
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What a sick ****... That said, who would laugh in that situation? I would never burglarize someone's home. But I can guarantee, that if someone points a gun at me, and it jams, I am most certainly not going to be laughing.


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This is the wrong way to do it for sure. He will be in jail a long time. The problem was taking additional shots while they lay on the ground.

Center mass, how hard is it? You shoot to stop the threat. If you wound and plug'em again while they lay there. Your gonna go away for a while.

If he woudl have made the first shot count for each. He would not be in such trouble, making him delay in calling the local PD.
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This is the wrong way to do it for sure. He will be in jail a long time. The problem was taking additional shots while they lay on the ground.

Center mass, how hard is it? You shoot to stop the threat. If you wound and plug'em again while they lay there. Your gonna go away for a while.

If he woudl have made the first shot count for each. He would not be in such trouble, making him delay in calling the local PD.
My opinion is that this dude is a nutjob looking for an excuse to kill somebody and he got it.

Not that the punks didn't deserve to get shot or even killed, mind you, but this crazy dude went out of his way to kill these two punks.

If it were me, I'd probably pop'em too but I wouldn't execute them while they were wounded and unable to present themselves as threats.
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How often we hear how thieves get their justice when a homeowner fatally shoots them. And how often we hear the praise here on Glocktalk of the homeowners actions. I fail to see how this is any different, yet this guy is a monster... He was still eradicating someones who broke into his home.
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These criminals were shot multiple times and executed, as punishment for past experiences of the homeowner, not for this specific breaking they were engaged in.

Executing an individual is not allowed for any reason, by a citizen.

As TBO posted, the law sees no acceptable reason for a citizen to "Punish" another. Only defend themselves from potential harm. In spite of actuality, only the law is permitted to "punish" citizens.

If the BG dies in the commission of his crime while the GG is defending himself, it is an incidental result of the defense, not the intent of the defense. Then, you are GTG.

He is toast.

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How often we hear how thieves get their justice when a homeowner fatally shoots them. And how often we hear the praise here on Glocktalk of the homeowners actions. I fail to see how this is any different, yet this guy is a monster... He was still eradicating someones who broke into his home.
You don't see the difference between shooting somebody in self-defense and the perps died versus wounding the perps then executed them?
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You don't see the difference between shooting somebody in self-defense and the perps died versus wounding the perps then executed them?
I see the difference, but what really is different? His proximity to the shooting? So he was point blank instead of through the front door or sliding glass patio door. Some states say it's ok to shoot someone attempting to break in, where's the threat of bodily harm there?

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I see the difference, but what really is different?
One is justifiable homicide, the other is murder.
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He neutralized the threat with the first shots. No need for the second shots. Also, no need to wait overnight to call the authorities. He obviously knew he was in trouble when he asked to lawyer up with the call to police. Yet another tarnishing mark on gun owners everywhere.
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So what, they took the risk breaking into his home and it just so happened they screwed with the wrong home/man. He home owners statements were stupid, but it doesn't change the fact that had they not broken the law and infringed on that mans dwelling they would still be alive. Had those kids shot beaten and or killed the old man everyone would be singing a different song.

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lots of unknowns, but either way, he didnt have to execute them.

a few questions...

1.) what the hell were the kids doing committing burglary in broad daylight?

2.) what kind of sick 18 yr old girl laughs at a jamming rifle intended for her after already having been shot?

3.) why didnt he call the cops immediately?

either way, from the sounds of it, the world could do without any of them, so 3 birds with one stone.
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I see the difference, but what really is different?
"I see the difference, except I don't."

I'm pretty sure this is one of those things that, if you don't get it, no amount of explaining is going to help.

If someone breaks into my house and I shoot them while they are doing so, I am shooting to stop the threat. If they die because I shot them, so be it.

If they DON'T die, and are then incapacitated on the floor, and I walk over put a pistol under their chin and execute them, now I have committed murder. They were no longer a threat to me, but I shot them anyway.

It's pretty simple.
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He home owners statements were stupid, but it doesn't change the fact that had they not broken the law and infringed on that mans dwelling they would still be alive.
And had he not broken the law and infringed on their right not to be murdered, he would not have been charged.


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Had those kids shot beaten and or killed the old man everyone would be singing a different song.
Nobody is suggesting that the man didn't have the right to defend himself.

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He home owners statements were stupid, but it doesn't change the fact that had they not broken the law and infringed on that mans dwelling they would still be alive.
And if the man had called the police after shooting and incapacitating them, everyone would be alive and only the bad guys would be in jail.

The fact that some of you don't understand how self-defense and executing the wounded are different sickens and saddens me.
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