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Old 11-21-2012, 19:47   #1
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Do you care about another Israel/Hamas conflict? Why should we?

Can someone please explain to me why I am supposed to care about one group of religious fanatics battling another group of religious fanatics over some proffered "holy land"?

What is this, "Lord of the Rings"?

The twelfth century?

Let them kill each other. All in the name of god's eternal love.
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Old 11-21-2012, 19:53   #2
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So much to say....but eventually the world gets tired of their bs. I will not cry when they nuke each other off of the planet.

controversial, but enough already....
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Old 11-21-2012, 19:55   #3
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You don't have to care but some do because they see one group of people being prodded by another group of people to make war with a third group of people who both of the aforementioned have vowed to exterminate.
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Old 11-21-2012, 19:57   #4
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I see you and the guy you voted for have something else in common.

Hmm...what possible impact could there be to the US if a full war breaks out there?

Are you really that dense that you cannot figure out some impacts by yourself?
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Old 11-21-2012, 20:00   #5
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Once the Islamists don't have to worry about wiping Isreal off the face of the Earth, guess who they turn their attention to wiping off the face of the Earth next?
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Old 11-21-2012, 20:01   #6
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Old 11-21-2012, 20:12   #7
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Once the Islamists don't have to worry about wiping Isreal off the face of the Earth, guess who they turn their attention to wiping off the face of the Earth next?
Poland?
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Old 11-21-2012, 20:17   #8
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I don't simply because I know very little about the situation. I know that to me, listening to the back and forth about who starts what round of attacks sounds like a little schoolboy argument about "Who hit who back first" and "Did not....did so....did not....did so.

Neither side seems to care one bit when they kill civilians and non-combatants as long as they can tie the deaths to an act of "retaliation" for earlier "acts of aggression". Of course the other side uses the "innocent's deaths" as a justification for rocket/bomb attacks for which there simply MUST be retaliation for the act of aggression.

I just really don't get too bent around the axle about the whole affair. Peace in the ME? LOL.
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Old 11-21-2012, 20:22   #9
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While there are certainly some religious fanatics in Israel. Israel is a secular state and most Israeli's are not religious.
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Old 11-21-2012, 20:27   #10
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For what it is worth, Israel is a pretty secular country with a religious tradition (and some religious folks)

Its Islamic neighbors are pretty much guided by relgious fundamentalism.

I can prove it. (broad brush but it is what it is)

The Jewish holy books pretty much say "kill your enemy"

The Islamic holy books pretty much say "Kill your enemy"

Israels Islamic neighbors are very vocal about destroying Israel...flat out, total destruction.

Israel CAN destroy all of its neighbors, and doesnt.

The entire situation can be summed up in a pretty simple rhetorical question(s).

If *POOF* the Islamists had no weapons starting right now, what would happen to them ? If *POOF* Israel had no weapons starting right now what would happen to them?

If you dont know the answer to those questions, you are not paying attention, and that is OK but please dont form an opinion if you dont know what is going on.
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Old 11-21-2012, 20:31   #11
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If Hamas, Hez'ballah and their ilk ceased to exist tomorrow, does anyone here HONESTLY believe that Israel would fanatically wage war against the rest of the world? If Israel, on the other hand, were wiped out tomorrow, does anyone here realistically believe that the fundamentalist Islamicist forces would stop waging war against all who disagree with Islam and simply return to their homes?

Come on, folks! Israel is fighting because groups like Hamas have vowed since their inception to DESTROY THEM. It's even written into Hamas's constitution. Other enemies, like Iran, have openly, publicly vowed to "wipe Jerusalem from the map" while building the weapons to do exactly that.

Anyone who thinks the Hamas/Israeli conflict starts and ends there, or will go away should Hamas win, is hiding their head in the sand.
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Old 11-21-2012, 20:32   #12
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Damn, Rabbi...you beat me to the punch!
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Old 11-21-2012, 20:32   #13
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For what it is worth, Israel is a pretty secular country with a religious tradition (and some religious folks)

Its Islamic neighbors are pretty much guided by relgious fundamentalism.

I can prove it. (broad brush but it is what it is)

The Jewish holy books pretty much say "kill your enemy"

The Islamic holy books pretty much say "Kill your enemy"

Israels Islamic neighbors are very vocal about destroying Israel...flat out, total destruction.

Israel CAN destroy all of its neighbors, and doesnt.

The entire situation can be summed up in a pretty simple rhetorical question(s).

If *POOF* the Islamists had no weapons starting right now, what would happen to them ? If *POOF* Israel had no weapons starting right now what would happen to them?

If you dont know the answer to those questions, you are not paying attention, and that is OK but please dont form an opinion if you dont know what is going on.
Bravo! I agree.
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Old 11-21-2012, 20:48   #14
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What would happen if the people of Israel got their dream solution? They would live in peace with their neighbors? I think that would be a reasonable expectation.

What would happen if the Arabs/Palestinians/Hamas got their wish? Every Jew in the world exterminated? Hmm. We have one side that wants to exterminate an entire religious/ethnic group based purely on race hate.

Not a good precedent given that they hate Americans only slightly less than they hate Jews.
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Old 11-21-2012, 20:50   #15
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If the OP can't differentiate between hamas and Israel.
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Old 11-21-2012, 20:50   #16
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Strategically important ally comes to mind. Best source of Middle East intelligence also comes to mind. Israel is both.

Israel is a state. Hamas is a terrorist organization.

Unless you have been living under a rock for the past 40+ years or have never been anywhere other than college since leaving home, it is an easy decision choosing who to support.
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Old 11-21-2012, 21:01   #17
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Remember when those Jews crashed airplanes into The World Trade Center?

Oh that's right, it wasn't Jews it was muslims.

I just want to make sure I understand some of you correctly.

Just to be clear, in the Israeli / Palestinian conflict you're on the side that routinely targets innocent women and children, that routinely treat their wives like property, that routinely kill their daughters for talking to boys.

That supports Al Qaeda's stance to ban music, dancing and colorful dress. That danced in the streets when terrorists crashed airplanes into The World Trade Center that killed 3000+ Americans. That kill, behead, and drag thru the streets their own people.

That would kill you and me just for being Americans.

That has routinely stated their goal is to wipe Israel off the map.

That's the side you're backing in this conflict? Do I have that right?
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Old 11-21-2012, 21:04   #18
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If the OP can't differentiate between hamas and Israel.
.. he is too stupid to care.

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Old 11-21-2012, 21:37   #19
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Personally, I find much of the expressed Anti-Israeli sentiment from people that can't stand that fact the Israel is a democracy. Most of these are Intellectuals who wish to see Plutocracy instituted, both hear and abroad.

I'm not saying Israel is blameless here. They have a history of using a heavy hand in dealing with Palestinians. Dropping 1000 or 2000 pound bombs and firing DPICM into civilian area cause a great deal of collateral damage.

Previous generations of Israelis made more use of special ops/targeted killing of extremist threats.
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Old 11-21-2012, 21:55   #20
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It's other peoples' wars in other peoples' countries. Unless they begin threatening us, there's no reason we should care.
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It's other peoples' wars in other peoples' countries. Unless they begin threatening us, there's no reason we should care.
Don't care about 9/11 do you?
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Old 11-21-2012, 22:04   #22
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Can someone please explain to me why I am supposed to care about one group of religious fanatics battling another group of religious fanatics over some proffered "holy land"?

What is this, "Lord of the Rings"?

The twelfth century?

Let them kill each other. All in the name of god's eternal love.


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Old 11-21-2012, 22:12   #23
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I consider Israel as an outpost of America. As a brother in freedom.

History has documented the struggle of Israel and their quest for freedom. Set aside the spiritual part. Set aside the political part.

In an area dominated by theological extremists, they also represent a freedom from such in their very existence. Again set aside the religious part, would you rather live in the Palestinian government or the Jewish government? Simple.

Would you rather live under Sharia law and expected to sacrifice your life for Islam Or free to live (many Islamists live in Israel) in Israel?
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Don't care about 9/11 do you?
Reference my signature. Our response to "the war on terror" has cost us our freedom to travel, our right to privacy, and made a whole new generation of brown people hate us. It's just as successful as the war on poverty and war on drugs. The terrorists won that one. Now bring our troops home.
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Reference my signature. Our response to "the war on terror" has cost us our freedom to travel, our right to privacy, and made a whole new generation of brown people hate us. It's just as successful as the war on poverty and war on drugs. The terrorists won that one. Now bring our troops home.
And just what does that have to with Israel and Hamas? seems to me that we were the victim of the same people that Israel is fighting. Judging from the attack of 9/11 and the displays of celebration in the ME I think it is safe to say we were already hated.
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