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mc1911 · 11-19-2012, 15:59

I got my first AR. It is a basic Rock River. It was between that and a Windham.

Any thoughts on these?

I wanted to stay reasonable , price wise.

mjkeat · 11-19-2012, 16:07

A little backwards don't you think?

What model? What did you pay?

My personal thought is for a general purpose AR RRA is a miss. Windham is still fairly unproven.

Tim151515 · 11-19-2012, 16:14

my buddy loves his rra. in fact i havent really heard much bad about them(besides the fact that theyre not a colt or noveske)

***WayaX*** · 11-19-2012, 16:15

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Originally Posted by mjkeat

A little backwards don't you think?

This will be a growing trend because of the election. Buy first, then ask questions...

Personally, I wouldn't buy either. Dick's Sporting Goods is having a sale on Troy complete carbines at $799 which is currently the best deal out there (quite frankly insane). Colts are $1099 or cheaper at Wal-mart and other big chains. There is just no reason to comprise on anything right now.

However, you've got it now. Buy ammo, magazines, and lube. Get some instruction, and shoot it until something goes wrong.

mc1911 · 11-19-2012, 16:24

$800
I liked the fit and finish of it compared to the others.

It is a basic 16 " flat top carbine, 6 position stock and A2 front sight.

No Dicks within 100 miles and my son in law is still looking for one.
We have seen a lot of Windham adds lately. When buying firearms , I tend to go with my gut feeling.Sometimes it is good sometimes not.

***Travclem*** · 11-19-2012, 16:27

OP I have an RRA M4 1:7 gov't profile CL and it is my most shot 16" AR, albeit heavily upgraded from stock. I have around 11k rounds through it with few issues, no more or less than my other rifles. It is just as reliable and more accurate than my LMT rifles. They are thought of as "second tier" rifles by most of the internet but I have shot the snot out of mine and it has been nothing but great. I have taken it to several classes over the years and it has been my dedicated hog/coyote rifle for a long time. Shoot it, enjoy it, most of the nay sayers don't even own one.

ithaca_deerslayer · 11-19-2012, 17:58

So far I like my Rock River national match just fine. Runs good, no jams. I'm working on my shooting, but it seems capable of going below 1 MOA.

I can never live up to some hypothetical internet standard. Some people only like a Colt or a clone of a Colt. I think Rock River doesn't consider istself a mil-spec clone.

If you like their design and they run good, that should be all that is important

bigmoney890 · 11-19-2012, 18:05

My buddy has a 6.8 RRA that was 'custom' built by them. It's been 100% reliable so far, but he's selling it. I don't know if that tells you anything or not.

I think people tend to stay away from RRA because they aren't milspec. Just because something isn't milspec doesn't mean it isn't reliable, accurate, and a good deal. And just because something isn't milspec doesn't mean it's not complete junk either. I don't think RRA puts out junk, but i'm not sure if i'd be lining up to get one. But at $800, you could have gotten a lot worse. Congrats and shoot the piss out of it!

Rooster Rugburn · 11-19-2012, 18:35

The important question is, what are you going to use it for. I'm sure it will be all the rifle you need.

I guess the kids are miffed you didn't seek their recommendation (

) before buying.

But if you want to know what the kids have against it, go here:

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=7376

mc1911 · 11-19-2012, 19:04

Plinking ,range use varmint and vermin control.

And maybe self defense, if the need arises.

I am looking at maybe 1000 rounds per year.

I have another question. What are the first tier AR manufactures? Baer, Colt etc?

bigmoney890 · 11-19-2012, 19:21

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Originally Posted by mc1911

Plinking ,range use varmint and vermin control.

And maybe self defense, if the need arises.

I am looking at maybe 1000 rounds per year.

I have another question. What are the first tier AR manufactures? Baer, Colt etc?

Noveske, Larue, LMT, LWRC, KAC, Colt, BCM and a select few others. When I think 'top tier' I don't think of Baer, but that's just because they are custom. Anything 'custom' is inherently better quality.

***Matthew Courtney*** · 11-19-2012, 19:22

Rock River Rifles tend to have better than average accuracy, so if you are really committed to marksmanship, you can really get a lot from your new AR. They are also often good choices for someone interested in varmint and small game hunting. Find an Appleseed event or NRA class to get grounded in the fundamentals of marksmanship and shoot that thing!

***Matthew Courtney*** · 11-19-2012, 19:27

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Originally Posted by bigmoney890

Noveske, Larue, LMT, LWRC, KAC, Colt, BCM and a select few others. When I think 'top tier' I don't think of Baer, but that's just because they are custom. Anything 'custom' is inherently better quality.

There a few custom outfits that are not inherently of good quality. Wilson and Baer are good quality, but just because a custom maker buys a few glossy ads in Black Rifle Magazine doesn't mean anything.....

Also top tier are JP Enterprises, and Daniel Defense.

mjkeat · 11-19-2012, 19:32

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Originally Posted by Rooster Rugburn

The important question is, what are you going to use it for. I'm sure it will be all the rifle you need.

I guess the kids are miffed you didn't seek their recommendation (

) before buying.

But if you want to know what the kids have against it, go here:

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=7376

You would make a good psych study.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mc1911

Plinking ,range use varmint and vermin control.

And maybe self defense, if the need arises.

I am looking at maybe 1000 rounds per year.

I have another question. What are the first tier AR manufactures? Baer, Colt etc?

You should be good.

Some of the better producers are Colt, BCM, DD, LMT, Noveske, Larue, and a couple others.

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Originally Posted by bigmoney890

Noveske, Larue, LMT, LWRC, KAC, Colt, BCM and a select few others. When I think 'top tier' I don't think of Baer, but that's just because they are custom. Anything 'custom' isn't inherently better quality.

Is that what you meant? When I think custom I think bubba in the garage piecing together a YHM/DPMS/zombie mess.

bigmoney890 · 11-19-2012, 19:39

By custom, i meant custom/precision machined. Not 'custom' built like pieced together by some goof in his garage like me.

mc1911 · 11-19-2012, 19:43

Thanks for the info everyone.

If something noteworthy happens , I will post the news.

The staking links are outstanding.

ithaca_deerslayer · 11-19-2012, 19:56

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Originally Posted by mc1911

Thanks for the info everyone.

If something noteworthy happens , I will post the news.

The staking links are outstanding.

My Rock River seems to be staked just fine.

How is yours?

***WayaX*** · 11-19-2012, 19:59

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Originally Posted by bigmoney890

By custom, i meant custom/precision machined. Not 'custom' built like pieced together by some goof in his garage like me.

There are a lot of "custom" AR-15 makers out there that produce crap out of a shop. These are mostly small groups trying to capitalize on the new market boom.

**Cole125** · 11-19-2012, 22:11

RRA makes quality rifles, the RRA upper I own has been top notch in every regard.

You did good, enjoy the rifle.

Rooster Rugburn · 11-20-2012, 04:52

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Originally Posted by mjkeat

You would make a good psych study.

After 10 minutes with me, my therapist committed suicide.

Walt_NC · 11-20-2012, 23:25

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Originally Posted by bigmoney890

Noveske, Larue, LMT, LWRC, KAC, Colt, BCM and a select few others. When I think 'top tier' I don't think of Baer, but that's just because they are custom. Anything 'custom' is inherently better quality.

Im going to respectfully disagree. Noveske, LWRC and Larue are definitely top tier - although I can't stand Noveskes insistence on using the MUR. For precision rigs, the Stoner SR25 is also top tier though I think Larue might have one-upped them with the features of the more modern OBR. Regardless, the KAC M110 sucks in comparison and I think their battle rifles get by on name recognition - theyre as good as but no better than Colt. LMT, BCM, DD and Colt are simply the standard. They work and work well but there is nothing really special or unique about them. Everything else is a 'good enough for what I need' compromise.

arushus · 11-20-2012, 23:53

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Originally Posted by bigmoney890

Noveske, Larue, LMT, LWRC, KAC, Colt, BCM and a select few others. When I think 'top tier' I don't think of Baer, but that's just because they are custom. Anything 'custom' is inherently better quality.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matthew Courtney

There a few custom outfits that are not inherently of good quality. Wilson and Baer are good quality, but just because a custom maker buys a few glossy ads in Black Rifle Magazine doesn't mean anything.....

Also top tier are JP Enterprises, and Daniel Defense.

Come on guys, can't we ever throw Spike's Tactical a bone? Theyre mil-spec, and there are independent certifications to prove it. I just think when talking about mil-spec stuff they should be mentioned in there with LMT, BCM, DD, KAC, LWRC, Colt, and Noveske. Im not saying theyre the best by any means, and Im not trying to start a ST vs whoever argument, I just never see these guys mentioned, that's all...

***faawrenchbndr*** · 11-21-2012, 04:42

RRA is a solid basic rifle........you did fine.

***faawrenchbndr*** · 11-21-2012, 04:45

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Originally Posted by arushus

Come on guys, can't we ever throw Spike's Tactical a bone? Theyre mil-spec, and there are independent certifications to prove it.......

I don't deal with post election price gougers.
Not to mention the two years of lies about the specs certifications.
Spikes lost my trust four years ago,........can not, WILL NOT, recommend them.

mc1911 · 11-21-2012, 10:34

It was a gusty 25 mph windy day at the range. I shot 100 rds through it with an old tasco red dot sight
I used wolf, some federal and some of my contender loads.
Functioning was perfect, using the mixed ammo resulted in a 2-2.5" group at 50 yards offhand while trying to dope the wind.

I know it is not a.375 " benched group.

A good start for me.