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Old 11-28-2012, 21:32   #41
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i really don't think you get much over 1050. federal seems to do +p right. they really don't push things crazy fast. main reason i went from ranger 230gr plus p (990 fps!) to hst 230gr plus p (a reasonable 950 fps). the ranger just broke my grip on the g21 with every pull of the trigger, the federal did not.
Not to mention that heavy-for-caliber loads *usually* don't gain/lose as much as lighter and faster loads when it comes to barrel length.
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Old 11-29-2012, 15:16   #42
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i really don't think you get much over 1050. federal seems to do +p right. they really don't push things crazy fast. main reason i went from ranger 230gr plus p (990 fps!) to hst 230gr plus p (a reasonable 950 fps). the ranger just broke my grip on the g21 with every pull of the trigger, the federal did not.
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Old 11-29-2012, 19:28   #43
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ha. thanks. just a result of puling triggers and hanging around forums i guess.
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Old 12-01-2012, 11:27   #44
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ha. thanks. just a result of puling triggers and hanging around forums i guess.
You don't just "hang around," you contribute to a rather dry subject.
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:39   #45
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You don't just "hang around," you contribute to a rather dry subject.
thanks for the kind words. did my internet street cred just jump a few points?

either way i fell comfortable with plus p OR standard 147gr hst. i think the 1-2" penetration differential we see between the two in gel would be much smaller in real world results. who knows? once you put bone, barriers, tough skin, dense organs, air filled organs into the mix...... the plus p might show a slight edge. i sort of wish federal would just offer one and only one pressure of 147gr....would make my ammo decisions easier.
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Old 12-01-2012, 14:45   #46
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The OP's +P gel shot mimicked almost exactly the standard pressure 147 HST. I get 1035 out of my G17 with P9HST2 (10 round avg).

The same load gets 1013 out of a G19 and 1041 out of a G34.

BTW, Fed 9BPLE runs 1381 from my G17.
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Old 12-02-2012, 13:36   #47
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thanks for the kind words. did my internet street cred just jump a few points?

either way i fell comfortable with plus p OR standard 147gr hst. i think the 1-2" penetration differential we see between the two in gel would be much smaller in real world results. who knows? once you put bone, barriers, tough skin, dense organs, air filled organs into the mix...... the plus p might show a slight edge. i sort of wish federal would just offer one and only one pressure of 147gr....would make my ammo decisions easier.
I am going to try some factory-loaded 147gr loads in my G17.
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Old 12-02-2012, 16:46   #48
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I am going to try some factory-loaded 147gr loads in my G17.
Between accuracy and shoot -ability I think your going to like it. Terminal performance seems to grow a bit when going "heavy for caliber"..... no matter what the caliber is.
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From the photos shown of the 147gr JHPs, they are built for expansion for sure.
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Old 12-03-2012, 21:50   #50
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I'm still not tempted to shoot 147-grain ammo in my 9mm pistols but if I am it seems to me the standard pressure rounds yield approximately the same results as the +P rounds do. So if the price of both (per Internet ammo sources) are the same then it makes no difference which heavy-for-caliber round one chooses.
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Old 12-03-2012, 22:12   #51
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SD 9mm 124 Hornady XTP max powder hand loads. Competition 147 fmj Montana Gold 125+ power factor powder puff load. WSF or Accurate 7, adjust the load.

Shooting major I use the same powder (though #7 is new to the family) with 180gr Bullets (3 options) and 155 Hornady XTP maxed out (1150-1200 fps) for SD.
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