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Old 11-12-2012, 16:16   #1
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Bug into a scavanged area.

Did you ever game play in your head to go where everyone has already been and won't return because the location has been picked clean. We know all the places people want to go that's why maybe you pick a place they all abandoned as a temporary spot till the larger herd thins from starvation,sickness,and the elements.
Let's be honest after 8 weeks the biggest problem you will have is dealing with the smell of decay from the unprepared.
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Old 11-12-2012, 16:27   #2
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Did you ever game play in your head to go where everyone has already been and won't return because the location has been picked clean. We know all the places people want to go that's why maybe you pick a place they all abandoned as a temporary spot till the larger herd thins from starvation,sickness,and the elements.
Let's be honest after 8 weeks the biggest problem you will have is dealing with the smell of decay from the unprepared.
Sounds like you are the unprepared. If you have to run you are unprepared. If you have to run to “abandoned” place you will find that it is not so abandoned anymore and somebody else is looking at you as an unwelcome intruder.

On every spot you ever stood at looking and thinking “I am going to “bug out” here" at least a dozen guys stood at thinking same thing.


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Old 11-12-2012, 16:30   #3
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Sounds like you are the unprepared. If you have to run you are unprepared. If you have to run to “abandoned” place you will find that it is not so abandoned anymore and somebody else is looking at you as an unwelcome intruder.

On every spot you ever stood at looking and thinking “I am going to “bug out” here" at least a dozen guys stood at thinking same thing.


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No I plan on staying home I have everything I need. It was just a mental exercise in create conversation.
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Old 11-12-2012, 19:40   #4
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The problem is that new people may continually be visiting any particular spots. How do they know it's been picked clean?

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Old 11-12-2012, 21:47   #5
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houseflipper, what are you planning for where everyone dies or leaves an area?
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Old 11-13-2012, 00:01   #6
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Do you want an advise from survivor not survivaslist?

When country I lived in fell apart travel outside of cities became the most dangerous thing to do. What can you do when you are rolling down open terrain in the tin can on four balloons?

Tin can loaded with your most prized possessions ripe for the picking for anybody who wants it.

Bail out is suicide.
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Old 11-13-2012, 05:06   #7
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Thanks for sharing your experience. That is an interesting perspective. Please share more.

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Old 11-13-2012, 07:33   #8
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Do you want an advise from survivor not survivaslist?

When country I lived in fell apart travel outside of cities became the most dangerous thing to do. What can you do when you are rolling down open terrain in the tin can on four balloons?

Tin can loaded with your most prized possessions ripe for the picking for anybody who wants it.

Bail out is suicide.
Although I get your point and you are 100% correct in regards to leaving your home, there are always exception to every rule.
And it is fools gold if you are not looking into an alternative.
But generally I agree with you.
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Old 11-13-2012, 14:05   #9
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Although I get your point and you are 100% correct in regards to leaving your home, there are always exception to every rule.
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Sure there are exceptions.
If you driving a tank or armored vehicle to a location that is already secured.

Civility is only skin deep. There is a thug in everyone. Just a couple of missed meals will drive “civilized” people to do very uncivilized things.


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Old 11-13-2012, 18:57   #10
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No one wants to leave home but life always will surprise you when you least expect it. Hope my mental exercise never comes to play so the next generation enjoys our way of life.
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Old 11-13-2012, 19:16   #11
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Absolutely considered it. The "bug in" strategy inherently has that as a backup plan. In most situation, mass exodus, followed by mass panic chaos, followed by relative calm. Just need to stay put for part one, get through part two, and then it might be pretty ok.
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Old 11-13-2012, 21:41   #12
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Stalingrad supported a civilian population through the battle.

I seriously doubt you'll find something picked more clean than that.
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Old 11-14-2012, 07:04   #13
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Sure there are exceptions.
If you driving a tank or armored vehicle to a location that is already secured.

Civility is only skin deep. There is a thug in everyone. Just a couple of missed meals will drive “civilized” people to do very uncivilized things.


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This is not what I meant.
If there is a partial financial collapse and civil unrest due to it, many people will lose their jobs and very quickly won't be able to pay the mortgage or manly rent for the ones that live in apartments.
If it is only a partial collapse the law will still function to a point and you will be evicted extremely fast.
Most people don't have enough savings stashed away to pay more then 2 mos.
That is if hyper inflation hasn't set in, meaning that the $2000 dollars you have under your mattress won't be worth that much for long.

If this happens to you, you will lose everything and be on the street and will most likely fare better in the country then in a concentrated area where everyone is having the same issue.

Like what happened during the great depression law did not cease to exist and evictions where carried out all over the place.

This is not like war where everything around you collapses and where there is an intruding force and all able body men are send to fight and most civil law falls because of not having a police force.
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What would be really interesting to mind play is what happens in a black swan event.
When all trading stops and all banks close because of a crash in the system.
In such a event all your savings and cash in a bank or other financial institution will be wiped clean and most likely not given back.
How will things like rent and mortgages be enforced until there is a reset and new financial plan put into motion.
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Old 11-14-2012, 07:26   #15
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If it is only a partial collapse .
Partial collapse scenario in no longer possible. We went pass that point few years ago.

US literally owes more money then there is money. There may only be about 14 trillions of USDs in existence (digital or printed) but US debt is well over 16 trillions (officially). Realistically US debt is well over 100 trillions.
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What would be really interesting to mind play is what happens in a black swan event.
When all trading stops and all banks close because of a crash in the system.
In such a event all your savings and cash in a bank or other financial institution will be wiped clean and most likely not given back.
How will things like rent and mortgages be enforced until there is a reset and new financial plan put into motion.
I lived through an event exactly like that.

Money became worthless overnight. All savings got wiped out. New fiat currency was introduced and crashed in couple of months. On the bright side, everybody became a millionaire.

All major trades went to USDs. US was flying cargo 747s loaded with cash into the country.

What will US go to when (not if) USD becomes worthless?



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Old 11-14-2012, 09:53   #17
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I lived through an event exactly like that.

Money became worthless overnight. All savings got wiped out. New fiat currency was introduced and crashed in couple of months. On the bright side, everybody became a millionaire.

All major trades went to USDs. US was flying cargo 747s loaded with cash into the country.

What will US go to when (not if) USD becomes worthless?



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What country was that?
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I lived through an event exactly like that.

Money became worthless overnight. All savings got wiped out. New fiat currency was introduced and crashed in couple of months. On the bright side, everybody became a millionaire.

All major trades went to USDs. US was flying cargo 747s loaded with cash into the country.

What will US go to when (not if) USD becomes worthless?



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Wow what a horrible experience and not something any one person should go through twice.
But I'm still curios how this played out for people that lost their job and were renting during that time.
I too would like to know what country that was in although I think it was somewhere in now Eastern Europe.
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I too would like to know what country that was in although I think it was somewhere in now Eastern Europe.
It was the whole USSR.

In some parts people remained mostly civil. In others, where my relatives lived all out bloodbath broke out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh_War



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I lived in “civilized’ part. Yeah, crime war rampant, you could get beaten and loose shirt of your back if that shirt looked to be of some value to somebody.

Cops would kick you few more times after you got robed and take anything of value robbers missed.
Massive unemployement and those who did go to work did not get any pay for six month at a time. By the time they did get pay it was worth 1/100 of what it was six month ago.

You eat what you grow. Going to the store became pointless waste of time. Every inch of soil that was not covered by concrete or asphalt became a garden. Mostly potato gardens. Few guns that people did have were readily displayed by people guarding their gardens. Sometimes used.

Fun times.

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I lived in “civilized’ part. Yeah, crime war rampant, you could get beaten and loose shirt of your back if that shirt looked to be of some value to somebody.

Cops would kick you few more times after you got robed and take anything of value robbers missed.
Massive unemployement and those who did go to work did not get any pay for six month at a time. By the time they did get pay it was worth 1/100 of what it was six month ago.

You eat what you grow. Going to the store became pointless waste of time. Every inch of soil that was not covered by concrete or asphalt became a garden. Mostly potato gardens. Few guns that people did have were readily displayed by people guarding their gardens. Sometimes used.

Fun times.
Ah yes the USSR, makes sense.
It's sad when you can't even trust the police at all and worse when they are nothing more then organized thugs with the law on their side.
I have no problem seeing something like this happening here.
Again I hope that you wont have to go thru this twice in one lifetime.
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It was the whole USSR.

In some parts people remained mostly civil. In others, where my relatives lived all out bloodbath broke out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh_War



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Thank you that was a interesting read in the link.
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Old 11-16-2012, 19:40   #23
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There are all sorts of things that can go wrong to put us into survival mode. Storms, fire, and all sorts of other stuff that are to numerous to list. The one that comes up most of the time in conversation is our money system fails.

The US is like a friend of my dads. He ran a siding and remodeling Co. He was good at it but not always on the up and up. He was running a house of cards. Every one wanted him to make it because he owed every one. All it took for it all to fall was a couple of people not paying him for jobs that were dun. Then he couldn't get credit because he was to far in debt. On and on. He ended up losing his Co. I don't know what he did for a year or so but he moved on to an other state then started over.

I see the US just like that. We are so far in debt and are still being loaned money. I think they said out of every dolor the government spends forty cents of it is loaned to us. That is one big bite. That can't go on for ever. How long could you hold out if forty cents of every dolor you spent was loaned to you. It will fail. We have to many bankers trying to get in as much as they can before it all fails. They almost got it to fail five years ago. When it fails we will be in it deep. How will it go? When will it happen? Who will we take with us? Who knows. I would say we don't have long. May be two years or so.

When it happens I think it will be just like it was the first time around. People will be out of work in record numbers. Money wont be worth the paper it was printed on. It will take years to get new money and start all over. Debt will have to be forgiven. We will still have an army, police and the other things that make us the USA. It will just be very hard for a while. Some will die in fights for food. Some will die due to lack of food.

I think when it is all over with. There will be a lot less of us. I also think we will start making stuff back in this country again. I really hope that this time around that we learn that controls have to be put in place to control our government. That the government works for us and we don't work for them.

Oh don't worry about the upper 10% they will be doing fine. They will have made enough off of us that they will not even know that there was a problem. They will have every thing they could want because they will be the only ones with money just like last time.

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I see the US just like that. We are so far in debt and are still being loaned money.
Dude! Wake up and smell some coffee! NOBODY loans US money.
Federal Reserve printing trillions and buying US debt with it!

Examine these links:

http://www.moneynews.com/Headline/fe...3/28/id/434106

In reality Fed bought more then 80% of US debt if couple other schemes are made public.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-cen...uments/mfh.txt

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...ing/55179748/1

http://summitrealtygrp.com/2011/11/1...cret-bailouts/

What do you think those banks are ordered to do with all that money. Well. Buy US treasuries. Duh!

Oh by the way. Definition of “Foreign Bank” was changer recently. How convenient! Now “Foreign Banks” owned by US banks can buy US treasuries as totally foreign but with money given to US banks by Fed.

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