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Old 03-12-2012, 16:56   #1
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Which 1911 should I get first?

Ok, so my next gun was supposed to be a shotgun, BUT I talked to my uncle who's a FFL dealer in Florida and he can give me a SMOKING deal on these. Which one would you get and why?

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Old 03-12-2012, 17:01   #2
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Neither, both are too Pimped out to be practical and 1911a1's don't have rails. I'd look into something more G.I. like a Springfield Mil Spec if you're going to spend that much. Personally, I can't see spending more then $500 for ANY handgun but that's just because I'm a cheap SOB,LOL.
Really though, all that extra stuff only gets in the way when you're packin' the gun. At most you want a standard gun with good sights, beaver tail grip safety, Commander style hammer and some nice grips. Anything more is a waste of money IMHO. JMB designed em' to work pretty well from the get go, can't do much better then his original design.
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Old 03-12-2012, 17:16   #3
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I wouldn't touch 1911s with rail... just looks odd.
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Old 03-12-2012, 17:30   #4
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Both of those are too flashy for me, but if I had to pick the Kimber looks better IMO.
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Old 03-12-2012, 18:58   #5
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The Kimber, SIG gets none of my $ since I had to deal with their customer service.
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Old 03-12-2012, 19:30   #6
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Neither one. I'm sort of a purist and I just can't warm up to railed 1911s.
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Glad to see I'm not the only one that feels this way.
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Old 03-12-2012, 19:34   #8
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I wouldn't touch 1911s with rail... just looks odd.
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Neither one. I'm sort of a purist and I just can't warm up to railed 1911s.
I'm with you guys on that. I'll never buy one with a rail.
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Old 03-13-2012, 01:08   #9
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I'd get the kimber out of those 2 but i would recommend Springfield. I've had a few and they've all run flawlessly and their customer service is excellent if needed. I like the Mil-Spec or the Range Officer for a starter. Also i've seen a lot of bad reviews about the sig.
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Old 03-13-2012, 01:27   #10
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What kinda off deal..........I'd get the Kimber and echoing another sentiment my experience with Sig customer service is like but they do have some quality 1911's






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Old 03-13-2012, 07:46   #11
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I'm with you guys on that. I'll never buy one with a rail.
I hate rails on 1911s

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Old 03-13-2012, 08:33   #12
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If it were me and I had a healthy budget for a 1911a1 I'd start with one of these:
http://springfield-armory.com/armory.php?model=7
This would give me a good, solid foundation to mod the gun like I wanted it.
For me the stock safety, slide stop and mag release are fine, they don't stick out so they'll snag on stuff and they don't get in the way when I'm shooting so they'd stay stock.
Things I would add are things that I know I like from past experience like a flat main spring housing and better sights. I'd pick up a few mags and some ammo and shoot it just to see if there was anything else that I'd want to change.
These guns are really easy to tear down for parts replacement and modification and there's a ton of parts for the 1911a1 so you can make it into anything you want.
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Old 03-13-2012, 11:29   #13
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After doing some low-light training, I've changed my mind on weapon-mounted lights. Yes, they can provide an aiming point for an opponent in the dark, but the benefits (like being able to aim, and temporarily blind the opponent, and the ability to maintain a two-handed grip while still having light) are pretty substantial.

To the rail-haters, I would ask this: if you use a 1911 for home defense, what is your lighting plan?

To the OP, neither brand would be my first choice, but I'd take the SIG over the Kimber any day.
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Old 03-13-2012, 11:32   #14
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It's retarded to say a 1911 with a rail isn't pratical. Especially if one actually plans to shoot and use their 1911 for HD.

My vote is for the Sig, but the Warrior (so long as it isn't the II version) is the best Kimber that they make IMO.
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Old 03-13-2012, 11:38   #15
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That's a really tough call there. Those are pretty much my top pick for those two manufacturers. For me. Either one. Good luck.
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I never said a 1911 with a rail isn't pratical. What I said is that I don't like the way they look. Yep, for HD it'd be nice to have a light but since I'm "old school" I'd just use my 2D cell MagLite in the standard Light/Handgun shooting hold and hope for the best.
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Of the two, If I HAD to pick one I'd go with the one that cost the less. I'm sure both are excellent quality so the lower priced one should be just as good as the higher priced one.
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Old 03-13-2012, 12:17   #17
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I never said a 1911 with a rail isn't pratical. What I said is that I don't like the way they look. Yep, for HD it'd be nice to have a light but since I'm "old school" I'd just use my 2D cell MagLite in the standard Light/Handgun shooting hold and hope for the best.
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Of the two, If I HAD to pick one I'd go with the one that cost the less. I'm sure both are excellent quality so the lower priced one should be just as good as the higher priced one.

Well you said they were too pimped out to be practical but you also said 1911s don't have rails. So what's the difference? I don't see what's on those guns that isn't functional to those that would use it and many do for HD nowdays. Sure they desert sand is probably flashy to someone but fcs, good grips, checkering, novaks, and a rail all work for a number of people.


Now if you want to carry a big klunky maglite around in your other hand for HD then more power to ya. Some just perfer more efficient and practical ways to go about HD with concerns crazymoose already highlighted. Personally, I just can rely on "hope".... YMMV.

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Old 03-13-2012, 12:28   #18
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Now if you want to carry a big klunky maglite around in your other hand for HD then more power to ya.
That "big klunky" Maglite comes in real handy to use as a club. To each his own, I like a good, basic 1911a1, other may like all the bells and whistles on em'. That's why they make em' both ways, so both of us can be happy. Besides, I'm NOT the Only one that said they didn't like a 1911a1 with a rail on it.
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. Besides, I'm NOT the Only one that said they didn't like a 1911a1 with a rail on it.
Well, some people buy 1911s and use them for SD or HD and some buy them to look pretty. Just pointing out that these guns are pratical to most nowdays.
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Old 03-13-2012, 12:35   #20
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As per the parameter U set wth your Uncle's offer, I would take the Sig.
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Out of those two, I'd take the Sig for sure.
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Well, some people buy 1911s and use them for SD or HD and some buy them to look pretty. Just pointing out that these guns are pratical to most nowdays.
So you're saying that for all those Decades before the 1911a1 had a rail it was pretty much useless as a SD/HD gun.
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Old 03-13-2012, 12:57   #23
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If it's a good deal, either one. However, it would have to be cheaper than a used blue Colt, because I'd rather have that than either.
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Old 03-13-2012, 13:14   #24
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I just bought a Sig 1911; the XO model. It doesn't have a rail but I wouldn't care, one way or the other. My Sig P220 and Glock G21SF have rails but none of my other 1911s have one. Just the way it works out. Don't care...

Back to the XO: It is a GREAT pistol. It feeds everything (200 gr LSWC, 230 gr LRN, 230 gr FMJ) and puts the bullets exactly where I intend. It has a very nice trigger right out of the box.

The grips have a definite texture and the forestrap is checkered enough to really get a handfull. I like the lumpy grip safety and I'm getting to like the 'dot' sights. They are certainly fast to pick up.

I wasn't sure what to expect when I bought the Sig. I had a choice of S&W, SA, Kimber, Colt and Sig. Since I already have some P series Sigs (220, 229, 239), I thought I would give it a try. I am really happy I did.

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Old 03-13-2012, 13:20   #25
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To the rail-haters, I would ask this: if you use a 1911 for home defense, what is your lighting plan?

Umm maybe turning on the lights
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