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Old 11-13-2012, 19:47   #1
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Winchester Ranger ammo LE only?

What? I was just looking to buy some ammo and saw on the website that Winchester Ranger Ammo is sold to LE only? I distinctly remember buying this ammo before and had no issues.

Anyone else heard of this and can verify? Im posting a link to the page that says its restricted

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http://www.prestostore.com/cgi-bin/s...=287705&rdf=cu
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Old 11-13-2012, 19:51   #2
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SGammo.com will sell you Ranger ammo. I've seen some sites say they will only sell it to LE, while other sites will sell it to the general public. However, I just checked, and the ammo you provided the link for isn't currently available at SGammo. But it might be at some point. http://www.sgammo.com/product/winche...int-ammo-ra45b
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Old 11-13-2012, 19:55   #3
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Total BS

PSA and TDS esp are famous for this crap. They have a disclaimer that says something like "Due to an overrun in the amt of ammo needed for the LE agency that ordered it, this is now being passed onto the civilian mkt

All I use in my .45's be it my 1911's or HK's is the 230 G (+p) Win Ranger T's RA45TP stuff.

It is just like the Colt 6920 that has the "For LE use only" roll mark.It is just marketing so the guy that buys the item feels more Tier 1.

I also have the 5.7 MM "Red Box" SS198LF that is LE restricted, in this case it is generally for LE though. Not sure why.
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Old 11-13-2012, 19:55   #4
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I've got plenty of it, never had an issue. Ammo to go is where I get mine, a little pricy but I'm in texas so it gets to my house the next day.
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Old 11-13-2012, 19:56   #5
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Depends on the store. I've seen it for sale in stores to anyone. Same with blue label guns.
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Old 11-13-2012, 20:07   #6
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Ask "Hotpig" yourself, he's a GT'er and a great seller too.
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Old 11-13-2012, 20:10   #7
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Ask "Hotpig" yourself, he's a GT'er and a great seller too.
I wasnt aware this site was run by a Gter, Maybe he will check in here and let us know.

Knowing the site is run by one of the glocktalk folks makes me feel better about spending my money there as well
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Old 11-13-2012, 20:22   #8
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Well, his .40 Ranger-T is cheaper than SG ammo, so if he'll sell to civvies then he has my business once I get a job and can afford it.
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Old 11-13-2012, 20:26   #9
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Try this site,i use them more than most.


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Old 11-13-2012, 20:32   #10
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Winchester wants their distributors to restrict their sales to LE only and they don't sell it to your average LGS. My agency uses the stuff and orders it by the case in .40 but if you carry another caliber .45 or 9mm you have to get your own. The officers who do have had to have the ammo shipped to the office. I've tried to find other sources with no luck.
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Old 11-13-2012, 20:37   #11
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I wasnt aware this site was run by a Gter, Maybe he will check in here and let us know.

Knowing the site is run by one of the glocktalk folks makes me feel better about spending my money there as well
I never did answer your question, it depends..........Winchester would rather sell only to LE. But dealers can sell to anyone. So as far as I know, right now there is no restrictions of buying this ammo to the public.
Hotpig,can tell you if any states and/or agencies have blocked sales of Win Ranger SXT. As a former LEO myself over seven years retired I do like the ammo, and knew of no restrictions on it.
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Old 11-13-2012, 20:57   #12
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Its total bullcrap and not true at all.

In my opinion it is done because they want to sell the smaller 20rd. boxes to civilians for the same amount of money if not more.

I usually only find the 20rd. JHP boxes in big box stores but find the 50rd. boxes online or at police distributors (I am not LEO either).

If they aren't jackhole companies, they will sell you the 50rd. boxes np.
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Old 11-13-2012, 21:48   #13
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The LE only aspect of Ranger T series came about because of them originally being Black Talons. In the early years stores got hammered by Winchester for selling to non LE. A uniform store we send our people to sold to the public and Winchester stopped selling them ammo. Another store that actually checked for LE ID kept selling. I don't know if they still do since we issue it these days. In the past we had to buy our own if we wanted something other than state bid. I still have a few boxes of .45 of a 500 round case I bought in 1998.
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Winchester made that decision when they pulled Black Talons from the consumer market after the blow up in the late 90's which continued on to the SXT line which replaced it. Since they adopted the LE Only practice they must enforce it through their distributors because they are exempt from certain federal taxes on the ammo.
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:56   #15
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Why aren't you buying Gold Dots?
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:13   #16
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Why aren't you buying Gold Dots?
Personal Preference, I guess. Nothing personal against Speer
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Old 11-14-2012, 17:03   #17
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CDNN sells tons of Ranger ammo "civies". I have some.
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Old 11-14-2012, 17:41   #18
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Ranger ammo is good ammo. But it's no better/no worse than Gold Dot, HST, etc. Winchester has had this policy for a LONG time (ie, not selling Ranger ammo to non-LE). A few years ago, if Winchester found out a retailer was selling to non-LE, Winchester stopped letting them sell the ammo (I think hotpig ran into this problem when he was selling to non-LE).

I believe *most* of the time when you see it for sale to non-LE, is when it's surplus. ie... A PD bought 10 million rounds, only needed 8 million. The other 2 million gets sold and resold, until it ends up with sellers that can sell it to non-LE.

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Old 11-14-2012, 17:48   #19
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Some ammo sellers have there own in house guidelines/personal ethics to guide sales policies

Then there are State and local regs.

That's why some do sell quality defense ammo and some don't. They are free to sell within the law and we are free to not give them our money.
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Old 11-14-2012, 18:10   #20
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This topic has to come up every few months. It always ends with some fool calling Winchester and says "you know ***** is selling your ammo to civilians?"

Stoopid, just plain stoopid!
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This topic has to come up every few months. It always ends with some fool calling Winchester and says "you know ***** is selling your ammo to civilians?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qileP4bAzek
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:56   #22
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Some ammo sellers have there own in house guidelines/personal ethics to guide sales policies

Then there are State and local regs.

That's why some do sell quality defense ammo and some don't. They are free to sell within the law and we are free to not give them our money.
This particular issue has nothing to do with state/local regs. Ranger's are simply JHP's, they have no mythical powers that other JHP's don't have. As long as your locality allows JHP's, then you're fine to own/use Rangers.

This is a WINCHESTER sales policy... if you want to sell their Ranger line, you follow their policy. If you don't want to, you don't sell it. It's very simple.

As was stated earlier, most of the time when you see retailers selling it.. They've bought it second hand (not directly from Winchester). Winchester, several times, has cut off suppliers who were selling Rangers to Non-LE. Actually, if I recall correctly, when hotpig first got started, he was cut off by Winchester for selling to Non-LE.

I like Gold Dots better anyway, but Ranger is good ammo also. Usually 50rd boxes of Gold Dots are pretty easy to find if you look. If I can't find them, I'll live.. I just go get a few 20rd boxes.
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This particular issue has nothing to do with state/local regs. Ranger's are simply JHP's, they have no mythical powers that other JHP's don't have. As long as your locality allows JHP's, then you're fine to own/use Rangers.
Are you sure about that? I read that Ranger ammo has 99.9999% Stopping Power. Very important!!! I can't depend my life on other ammo that only has 98% Stopping Power.
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