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Old 11-16-2012, 08:12   #51
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Old 11-16-2012, 08:18   #52
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Over 50% voted for Obama, more than the "47%" feared by the Right.
I believe the 47% referred to 47% of the total population.

Only 59,621,436 of a population of about 315,000,000 voted for Obama. So our leader was chosen by about 19% of our total population.

Of our voting population, Obama got 51% of the votes of the 57.5% of eligible voters who turned out. So even if we just count people eligible to vote, only about 29% of the people who could have, cast a vote for him.
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Old 11-16-2012, 08:42   #53
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I voted for Obama and I own more than one gun. In fact, I have many progressive friends who own guns and have no issue with the second amendment. It's conservative politics and close-minded conservatives that worry them and me. It's hate mongers who want to topple a govt. or question its legitimacy b/c they don't like the guy in the Oval Office that my friends and I don't like or respect.. It's Haters who question Obama's citizenship/nationality and right to be President that are a wast of time and as Un-Patriotic. It's not gun ownership that's the problem with the right, but pure ignorance and the lack of ability to accept irresponsibility for failure. Over 50% voted for Obama, more than the "47%" feared by the Right. I did not vote for a hand out, I've not gotten one, and don't expect the shwagg bag to arrive in the mail anytime soon.

But you all have the freedom to type your mind and with the internet you continue to fool yourselves into believing conservatism has a place in America.... Keep writing to the converted it will ensure your ongoing failure.
Do these words sound like those of person who does not have gun control on his mind? "But I also share your belief that weapons that were designed for soldiers in war theaters don't belong on our streets. And so what I'm trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how do we reduce the violence generally. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced. But part of it is also looking at other sources of the violence. Because frankly, in my home town of Chicago, there's an awful lot of violence and they're not using AK-47s. They're using cheap hand guns." -Obama.

I'm also honestly curious--why did you vote for Obama? I know there's a big thing about how people supposedly voted for handouts, but you're not looking for that. What was it in him that you liked? My biggest concern is the economy (by a long shot) and my experience over the last 4 years was not good. I thought Romney presented a chance for the economy to improve. Did you see it differently or what was it that made you vote for Obama (I'm assuming you didn't just vote against Romney)?
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Old 11-16-2012, 09:02   #54
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I believe the 47% referred to 47% of the total population.

Only 59,621,436 of a population of about 315,000,000 voted for Obama. So our leader was chosen by about 19% of our total population.

Of our voting population, Obama got 51% of the votes of the 57.5% of eligible voters who turned out. So even if we just count people eligible to vote, only about 29% of the people who could have, cast a vote for him.
So, what you're saying is shoulda-coulda-woulda? Of the people who bothered to vote, the President is still the President. If the Right isn't happy about it, they can't spend their time blaming the Left, but rather finding out why so many people stayed home.

That's a tall order, though, because voter apathy - on both sides - has been getting worse and worse. Talking about numbers that COULD have shown up isn't really worth doing. Finding out why they DIDN'T show up is what needs to happen.

Talk like your post about "well, it was REALLY only a few percent" bears no fruit other than sour grapes. Of the people who cast their ballots, one guy got the majority of those - both popular and electoral - and so he won. Period.
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Old 11-16-2012, 09:35   #55
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Sounds OK to me.

Personally, even though it's not a business, I will not teach a obama supporter to shoot and I won't allow them to shoot on my range.

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Somebody on the right decides to be exclusive rather than inclusive? Shocking!!!

That's what got Obama elected in the first place.

With all the hysteria buying that's going to continue he should be thanking people that voted for Obama.
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Old 11-16-2012, 09:53   #57
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Sounds OK to me.

Personally, even though it's not a business, I will not teach a obama supporter to shoot and I won't allow them to shoot on my range.
Way ta go Buck.'08.
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:59   #58
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... do you have some other meaning for the word "dictatorial"?
Actually, yes, I substituted it for fascist!

How about autocratic, totalitarian, Tyrranical?

First he wants to know what my "secret" vote was.

Then he wants to "discriminate" against me if I don't answer the way he likes.

But he DOES have the right to his opinions & beliefs. I'd probably shop there anyway, if I wanted his merchandise as opposed to his opinion.

The thought was attributed to Voltaire (though there's no proof he actually said it): "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it!"

This goes for our voting as well.

(If you want to know about MY political, religious, or personal beliefs, follow my avatars and sig lines, but my VOTE is really none of your darned business!)
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This is why I voted for him it the simplest and most humorous terms:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2143614.html

I am part of the ever changing America, reviled today only to rise and ...
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Do these words sound like those of person who does not have gun control on his mind? "But I also share your belief that weapons that were designed for soldiers in war theaters don't belong on our streets. And so what I'm trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how do we reduce the violence generally. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced. But part of it is also looking at other sources of the violence. Because frankly, in my home town of Chicago, there's an awful lot of violence and they're not using AK-47s. They're using cheap hand guns." -Obama.

I'm also honestly curious--why did you vote for Obama? I know there's a big thing about how people supposedly voted for handouts, but you're not looking for that. What was it in him that you liked? My biggest concern is the economy (by a long shot) and my experience over the last 4 years was not good. I thought Romney presented a chance for the economy to improve. Did you see it differently or what was it that made you vote for Obama (I'm assuming you didn't just vote against Romney)?

Look, I agree with you the economy sucks and it sucked worse when Obama came into office. I don't think either man would have a real significant effect on the future of the economy, it has historically righted and wronged itself, with few exceptions (Bill Clinton era). O represents change and I am a strong believer that change is what makes this nation great. Stagnant conservative ideas do nothing to grow our nation. You can't alienate women, minorities, the poor and anyone who is not upper middle class and white and expect to represent this country. It ain't 1950. If republicans are able to open their tent and really include more than what they expound now I have no issue voting for an elephant. You can't try and outlaw a woman's right to choose are peoples right to marry people of the same gender and represent the majority in this nation. You can't decide that the bible is the "only" word of God or that there is a God and then dictate your politics on dogma and expect to represent a religiously diverse nation. That is why I voted for Obama.
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If you need to prove to an anti-gunner that they need a gun, you'd be better of stabbing them than trying to take them shooting.
I've taken MANY liberals shooting and never once seen one that didn't have fun with it. The vast majority of ammo I've purchased was shot up by someone else at my encouragement. Almost all or my friends are liberals aside from the few hangers on from the old days.

I'll bet I've turned more liberals on to shooting than any member of GT. Most of them have purchased a gun of their own. We rarely get into the politics of it and when we do I simply ask them to look at the voting record of anyone they think about voting for and if they find anti-gun activity in their past then they might want to treat it like anti-gay or anti-abortion activity. It's all about putting people that understand the concept of freedom into office whatever party they run with.
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Look, I agree with you the economy sucks and it sucked worse when Obama came into office. I don't think either man would have a real significant effect on the future of the economy, it has historically righted and wronged itself, with few exceptions (Bill Clinton era). O represents change and I am a strong believer that change is what makes this nation great. Stagnant conservative ideas do nothing to grow our nation. You can't alienate women, minorities, the poor and anyone who is not upper middle class and white and expect to represent this country. It ain't 1950. If republicans are able to open their tent and really include more than what they expound now I have no issue voting for an elephant. You can't try and outlaw a woman's right to choose are peoples right to marry people of the same gender and represent the majority in this nation. You can't decide that the bible is the "only" word of God or that there is a God and then dictate your politics on dogma and expect to represent a religiously diverse nation. That is why I voted for Obama.
Well put, and I'm right there with you.
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I'm sorry, but you have obviously mistaken us for someone who gives a ****.
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Look, I agree with you the economy sucks and it sucked worse when Obama came into office. I don't think either man would have a real significant effect on the future of the economy, it has historically righted and wronged itself, with few exceptions (Bill Clinton era).
This shows you really don't know anything about the economy except for long term mean reversion.

Policies have a very large effect on the economy and Romney being elected would have helped the economy a lot. The thing keeping the economy depressed right now is obamacare (for the most part)

During the Clinton era the economy was "good" because of his horrible policies that let anybody, regardless of credit, grab a mortgage on property worth more than they can afford. That prompted tons of mortgages which in turn led to tons of hiring and spending related to that. The economy was plunging already when he was still in office btw.

Also, his lending changes is what caused the housing bubble. Without having to have crap securities banks would not have had to repackage and sell the tranches.


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Look, I agree with you the economy sucks and it sucked worse when Obama came into office. I don't think either man would have a real significant effect on the future of the economy, it has historically righted and wronged itself, with few exceptions (Bill Clinton era). O represents change and I am a strong believer that change is what makes this nation great. Stagnant conservative ideas do nothing to grow our nation. You can't alienate women, minorities, the poor and anyone who is not upper middle class and white and expect to represent this country. It ain't 1950. If republicans are able to open their tent and really include more than what they expound now I have no issue voting for an elephant. You can't try and outlaw a woman's right to choose are peoples right to marry people of the same gender and represent the majority in this nation. You can't decide that the bible is the "only" word of God or that there is a God and then dictate your politics on dogma and expect to represent a religiously diverse nation. That is why I voted for Obama.
So, if I understand it correctly, you voted for Obama more because you don't agree with the Republican social platform, as well as you want change (though I'd argue that change would be getting someone new than someone we've had the last 4 years and has not improved much at all WRT the economy--and probably made it worse).

I'm libertarian. I'm not all that far away from you on social views (seriously, freedom unless you're treading on someone else's rights). However, I think the economy is the most important thing right now and I think Obama is killing it (yeah, the economy does fluctuate but the market manipulation by the government is a big part--and they keep manipulating more).

Anyway, thanks. I was just curious as nobody seems to ever tell me why they voted for Obama, just that they voted against Romney.
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I'm sorry, but you have obviously mistaken us for someone who gives a ****.
I was asked by someone else, who is clearly less disrespectful and hate filled than you. But thank you for flying your flag and reinforcing that my choice is the correct choice. BTW, it's good to know you speak for everyone on this forum, that is unless when you referred to "us" it was a reference to your multiple selves.
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So, if I understand it correctly, you voted for Obama more because you don't agree with the Republican social platform, as well as you want change (though I'd argue that change would be getting someone new than someone we've had the last 4 years and has not improved much at all WRT the economy--and probably made it worse).

I'm libertarian. I'm not all that far away from you on social views (seriously, freedom unless you're treading on someone else's rights). However, I think the economy is the most important thing right now and I think Obama is killing it (yeah, the economy does fluctuate but the market manipulation by the government is a big part--and they keep manipulating more).

Anyway, thanks. I was just curious as nobody seems to ever tell me why they voted for Obama, just that they voted against Romney.

You are welcome, and thanks for disagreeing with me respectfully. I'm not saying I'm right or have the 100% answer, nor do I believe O is the cure for what ails our economy, it will take more than him and I believe more than R to do that. I do see as I measure it that things are 'better" today than when he took office. My home is worth more (not by much) than it was 4 years ago, my portfolio is doing better, unemployment (still dismal) is improved (yes I know the numbers are fudged, but they've been fudged by every administration, if you believe R and his buddies would not have claimed victory had he been president an the rate dropped you are lying to yourself). As for Obamacare, we will have to accept I'm on the side of health insurance for everyone, in particular old, mentally or physically ill and children and quite frankly if you have a employees, provide them with reasonable insurance. Is Obamacare the best way to do it, maybe not, but at least it's a start and I don't see republicans trying to find a real solution to all the uninsured working Americans!
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This shows you really don't know anything about the economy except for long term mean reversion.

Policies have a very large effect on the economy and Romney being elected would have helped the economy a lot. The thing keeping the economy depressed right now is obamacare (for the most part)

During the Clinton era the economy was "good" because of his horrible policies that let anybody, regardless of credit, grab a mortgage on property worth more than they can afford. That prompted tons of mortgages which in turn led to tons of hiring and spending related to that. The economy was plunging already when he was still in office btw.

Also, his lending changes is what caused the housing bubble. Without having to have crap securities banks would not have had to repackage and sell the tranches.


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Well, it's clear from your first sentence that you are closed to anything but your point of view. But, I'll try anyway. I'm not an economist nor am I trained in economics beyond micro and macro classes at university. But, I read what the "experts" say and I've determined for myself that the "experts" opinions often depend on their own politics or who is lining their pockets, so I try and find "neutral experts" or synthesize "truth" from the battling positions. And what I discern is that the POUS can influence there are two other houses that have a major effect as well, not to mention the Fed. Reserve, international economic conditions, trade, public confidence and perception and simple luck or timing.

If you look historically at recoveries after all major down turns increased govt spending and programs has been a major positive contribution. Put simply, by being a job creator, i.e. employer when private business is to afraid or greedy to do so govt. creates revenue streams into the economy. People with safe jobs spend money. Spend money stimulates the economy (consumer confidence). Govt employees with homes and cars and other stuff encourages non-govt. employees who live next door (keep up with the neighbor) to consume. Is this the only thing needed or the magic bullet, by no means. It's just one historical factor. However, it's the opposite of what Republican's today will do, and I say today because Republicans of the past did it.
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Don't come into my store trying to spend your money. Brilliant.
So if it brings in more money I suppose you think it will have been stupid.

Now that is brilliant.
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If you look historically at recoveries after all major down turns increased govt spending and programs has been a major positive contribution. Put simply, by being a job creator, i.e. employer when private business is to afraid or greedy to do so govt. creates revenue streams into the economy. People with safe jobs spend money. Spend money stimulates the economy (consumer confidence). Govt employees with homes and cars and other stuff encourages non-govt. employees who live next door (keep up with the neighbor) to consume. Is this the only thing needed or the magic bullet, by no means. It's just one historical factor. However, it's the opposite of what Republican's today will do, and I say today because Republicans of the past did it.
Cite, please? Are you trying to imply Keynesian Economics?



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So, I'm guessing you voted for O?


You aren't very quick on the uptake, are you? I insulted Obama in the very post you are replying to.

I'm guessing you subscribe to the reasoning of the group of imbeciles who think that any opposition to something someone who is against Obama is automatically an Obama supporter.
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I know a few strange Obama supporters. But, I don't know one single Obama supporter who owns his own business. So, I agree.
One of my doctors supports Obama, so there's an example for you.
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Have you ever tried to take one shooting?
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I voted for Obama and I own more than one gun. In fact, I have many progressive friends who own guns and have no issue with the second amendment. It's conservative politics and close-minded conservatives that worry them and me. It's hate mongers who want to topple a govt. or question its legitimacy b/c they don't like the guy in the Oval Office that my friends and I don't like or respect.. It's Haters who question Obama's citizenship/nationality and right to be President that are a wast of time and as Un-Patriotic. It's not gun ownership that's the problem with the right, but pure ignorance and the lack of ability to accept irresponsibility for failure. Over 50% voted for Obama, more than the "47%" feared by the Right. I did not vote for a hand out, I've not gotten one, and don't expect the shwagg bag to arrive in the mail anytime soon.

But you all have the freedom to type your mind and with the internet you continue to fool yourselves into believing conservatism has a place in America.... Keep writing to the converted it will ensure your ongoing failure.
First, "progressive" is just a relabel for commie, marxist, blame America first, kill live babies out of the womb thanks to a botched abortion, anyone can marry anyone or anything they like philosophy. "Progressive" has no connection to the traditional Dems like JFK. Today, JFK would be spit on by people like you more than they did Romney. Traditional Dems believed in Individual Rights WITH Indvidual Responsibilities. The last part has been deleted by the "Progressives".

Second, this shop owner (AND HE DID BUILD THAT BUSINESS) is saying he does not want to do business with people whose goal is to destroy his business, which is what you are unwittingly trying to do.

So just move along with the other bed wetters.

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Sounds OK to me.

Personally, even though it's not a business, I will not teach a obama supporter to shoot and I won't allow them to shoot on my range.
And you will pass on the chance to convert an anti-gunner, but actually increase the emotional stance against firearms.

Way to shoot yourself in the foot.
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