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Old 11-16-2012, 05:48   #76
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5,000 people are in the union. 18,500 people lose their jobs.

Nice going unions. Greed.

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Old 11-16-2012, 05:48   #77
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It's official..

HOSTESS IS CLOSING ITS DOORS

you can thank another union for losing thousands of American jobs

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Local Link

http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/local...-after-strikes

And the Union response..."Okay....maybe it's time to talk."
Ummm...okay. Little late there, ya think?
http://www.teamster.org/content/team...t-vote-hostess

Meanwhile, the local unions that actually conducted the strikes are in complete denial.
http://bctgm.org/PDFs/HostessLiquidation11_15_12.pdf

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Old 11-16-2012, 05:58   #78
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Kudos to Hostess.

They have the balls to say what no politician in Washington DC can say.


The numbers don't work. The money is gone. We cannot sustain it. We cannot put a band-aid on it any longer. The workers made demands we cannot economically sustain.

The workers have indeed spoken. Just like they did last election day. Hostess is just showing you, on a much smaller scale, that elections do indeed have consequences.

And to think, this bakery leads the way for the nation.
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Old 11-16-2012, 06:02   #79
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Old 11-16-2012, 06:10   #80
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The Union killed Hostess.

Union Government workers will kill the taxpayer.
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Old 11-16-2012, 06:14   #81
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Hah...while most of you morons were freakin' out about the election and panic buying your ammunition I have been busy stockpiling Hostess Baked Goods for the REAL SHTF that's about to go down...

http://www.examiner.com/article/no-m...-union-strikes

Hostess is going to permanently shut down its bakeries due to a Union Strike!

I'm buying all the Twinkies, Ho-Hos, and Ding Dongs I can lay my hands on... Its better than gold I tell ya!

As for the rest of you peasants...NO CAKE FOR YOU!
It is a wise move for you to stock up on durable goods.

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Old 11-16-2012, 06:43   #82
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The Union killed Hostess.

Union Government workers will kill the taxpayer.
They were #4 on Obama's list of campaign contributors.

'nuff said.
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:10   #83
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The unions decided a 27% decrease (their words) was worse than a 100% decrease. It's that new math that confuses me!



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Old 11-16-2012, 07:18   #84
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Don't let the Union smoke screen fool you. Michelle O had Hostess shutdown as part of her health initiative.
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:27   #85
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It's official..

HOSTESS IS CLOSING ITS DOORS

you can thank another union for losing thousands of American jobs

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It was on the news this morning. Technically I think the sale starts Monday.
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:31   #86
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The unions decided a 27% decrease (their words) was worse than a 100% decrease. It's that new math that confuses me!



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...and it wasn't even 27%.

It was 8% pay cut the first year, across the board (all employees, management as well) with gradual pay increases of 1-3% each year thereafter for the 5 year contract. (Specifically: -8% year one. -Year two, three and four, pay will go up 3%...resulting in a net of still being -5%. Year five, pay will increase 1%, to a net pay of -4% below what it was at the start of the contract.
The Bakers Union spun this to be -8% plus -5% plus -5% plus -5% plus -4% = -27% pay cut. If you actually do the math, it's less than a 6% pay cut over the five year contract.)

The union was trying to spin the numbers by including the increase in healthcare premiums and reduction in pension contribution and even the rate of inflation into one big number, while not including any give backs by the company.

The kicker is, the Teamsters Union actually said "This sucks, but it sucks for everyone. So we're okay with it if the deal will save the company." The other smaller union (Bakers and Grain Mill Operators) thought they could do better and walked out...taking the entire company down with them. All the while, the Teamsters were telling the Bakers' union "Dude, this is real. We've seen the financial records. It's going to fold. You have to stop."
Bakers' union told the Teamsters to eff off, we're handling this like real men.
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:37   #87
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...and it wasn't even 27%.

It was 8% pay cut the first year, across the board (all employees, management as well) with gradual pay increases of 1-3% each year thereafter for the 5 year contract.

The union was trying to spin the numbers by including the increase in healthcare premiums and reduction in pension contribution and even the rate of inflation into one big number, while not including any give backs by the company.

The kicker is, the Teamsters Union actually said "This sucks, but it sucks for everyone. So we're okay with it if the deal will save the company." The another smaller union (Bakers and Grain Mill Operators) thought they could do better and walked out...taking the entire company down with them. All the while, the Teamsters were telling the Bakers' union "Dude, this is real. We've seen the financial records. It's going to fold. You have to stop."
Bakers' union told the Teamsters to eff off, we're handling this like real men.
Yep...when reading the article, it was quit evident the union was trying to play up the numbers as much as possible to generate as much emotion against the company as they could.

Not knowing what the Teamsters said, if what you said is right (which I don't doubt), demonstrates the greed of the local union wanting to be the big dog. Seems like the Teamsters was using some common sense...unlike the other.



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...and it wasn't even 27%.

It was 8% pay cut the first year, across the board (all employees, management as well) with gradual pay increases of 1-3% each year thereafter for the 5 year contract.

The union was trying to spin the numbers by including the increase in healthcare premiums and reduction in pension contribution and even the rate of inflation into one big number, while not including any give backs by the company.

The kicker is, the Teamsters Union actually said "This sucks, but it sucks for everyone. So we're okay with it if the deal will save the company." The other smaller union (Bakers and Grain Mill Operators) thought they could do better and walked out...taking the entire company down with them. All the while, the Teamsters were telling the Bakers' union "Dude, this is real. We've seen the financial records. It's going to fold. You have to stop."
Bakers' union told the Teamsters to eff off, we're handling this like real men.
Merry Christmas dumbasses
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:54   #89
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Merry Christmas dumbasses
You forgot " and Happy New Year" too!



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You forgot " and Happy New Year" too!



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Sorry kids. No Christmas presents this year because daddy's union are a bunch of greedy idiots.
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Old 11-16-2012, 08:10   #91
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Old 11-16-2012, 08:13   #92
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As a member of a union that only causes the managers to be able to say really stupid **** prefaced by "in a union environment" I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

Honestly I don't even know why I signed up for it, maybe because everyone else in my hire group did. From what I hear they have to "protect" you even if you don't pay the dues. I think I could hold on to that $28 a month and put it under my mattress and be better protected.

Especially considering that I do my damn job, do it well, and have seen many long time coworkers walked out the door over the past few months of the most trivial BS you could imagine. I'm sure they've been paying their dues for 5 years or more.
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Old 11-16-2012, 08:52   #93
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union thugs would perfer nothing to something less that their idealized reality.
non secret votes used by the teamsters union is for intimidiation purposes.

wait till the usa national health is unionized.
old folks will have to pass the union gauntlet and the medical committee gauntlet before receiving appropriate medical treatment.

who do you think will be exempt - union retirees?

its Animal Farm "all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others."
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couldn't they just hire non union labor?
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Old 11-16-2012, 09:22   #95
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Old 11-16-2012, 09:25   #96
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Hostess went John Galt.
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New owners can!



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couldn't they just hire non union labor?
It is difficult to do this -

Once a company has a union they can't just fire them and hire new people.

You can hire temps - but in reality - running a business with people that have not had the proper training is really hard.

I worked at a company where the union went out of strike - in this case they considered hiring temps - the key is how many "regular" employees will cross the picket line and want to work -

If enough of the regular employees will show up - you can do it with temps. If only a few will cross you don't have much chance of making it work.

In my case - the strike lasted months - was really nasty - they ended up getting it resolved - only to go back on strike again a year later - the company ended up closing - everyone lost.

By then I was gone - (this was back in 1980) but knew / was friends with several people that were making $40K + full benefits package that lost their jobs - and ended up finally getting jobs that paid less than 1/2 with no benefits.
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I assume Texas is a right-to-work state.

As Z71bill said it will be hard to replace the experienced workforce. However, they may not have to. I would bet that, once the new owners re-open the place (assuming they do) then there will be plenty of people willing to cross - especially if they wait a few months. It depends on the local unemployment situation really.

Then, make sure it is known (but not published) that if the union returns, the plant will be moved.
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