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Old 11-22-2012, 21:21   #21
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Hello all.

Title should read "Mossberg vs. Remington


So as a whole, is Remington superior to Mossberg? Or is Mossberg superior to Remington? Why?

Discuss.
Even though there are 870's in use in the military, THEY have given the Mossberg 590 the edge for longivity. I am extremely trained and practised, and own a few of both and have no problem transitioning from one to the other. They are both excellent shotguns and the only reason I could give the Mossberg an edge is because of it's looser tolerances which will allow it to keep running under the absolute worst conditions as compared to the tighter tolerances of the 870 which would force it to stop berfor the Mossberg.
This point is completely irrelavent to civilian use for HD or hunting purposes. If you have any respect at all for a firearm, you will keep it cleaned and properly lubed so it is always ready for whatever might come up.
As far as I am concerned, pistol grips have no purpose on a shotgun, (YOUR NEEDS MAY DIFFER) and I respect that.
To claim one is smoother than the other is simply not true. A mossberg, properly lubed and broken in will cycle every bit as smooth as an 870. Out of the box, because of the tighter tolerances the 870 may seem smoother and they also get smoother with proper lubrication and use.
Overall both are fine PROVEN shotguns with what I can see as the only weekpoint on either would be the ejector on the 870. I personally have NEVER broken or lost one, but I have replaced a few for others over the years. All the arguements over polymer trigger guards and such are completely irrelavent. They run, they run hard, they last, and if dropped or otherwise smacked against a barricade or the like, they will flex where the alloy part will snap.
These are solely my opinions based on over 35 years of my own personal experiences with both.
The choice is yours and yours alone. I would not try to sway you in either direction, simply because I beleive you choosing between the 2 best pump shotguns ever made as proven by the years both have been avaliable and thousands upon thousands that are out there, in use and have been for many years.
You can pay more for some of the newer kids on the block, but until they have been around as long, and recorded the astranomical number of kills in the field and round down the tube on the range as either one of the 2 mentioned, I firmly beleive you can NOT buy a better pump shotgun than either of these.
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Old 11-22-2012, 21:48   #22
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It's a personal choice, either one will do what you ask of it. I own both...I lean 870...once again personal choice.
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Old 11-23-2012, 11:59   #23
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I think the Remington is a superior shotgun, but have Mossberg for HD.
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Old 11-23-2012, 12:49   #24
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I have owned several 870s including a nice police model. Switched to mossberg with a 590A1 and have not looked back. As a lefty I like the safety position better and easier to load to me as well.

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Old 11-24-2012, 17:55   #25
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Mossbergs "Clattery"

I always thought Mossbergs sounded cheaper than Remingtons when you rack them, but it's been quite a few years since I've handled a Mossberg.

Remington goes "KALUNK!", while a Mossberg says "clatter, clatter?" like it's made cheaper. (At least back when I tried them, they did.)

So, I prefer Remington. I have 2 870's in 16 & 12 ga, a .308 760 and an 1956 vintage slide action .22 (572 maybe?). What I like about that is the action, safeties, ejection are always the same.
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Old 11-24-2012, 18:54   #26
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While growing up, my dad had an Ithaca model 37 Featherlight. He used it for deer and small game season. It was also his H.D shotgun. He had a rifle front sight put on it with an aperture rear sight. He had this done back in the 1960ís.

As a youngster, my first shotgun for hunting was a Winchester 140. I hated that shotgun and used my dadís shotgun every chance I got. After my dad died, I sold the Winchester 140. No reason to keep something around you donít use or like.

After I turned 18 years old, I bought a used Mossberg 500. Then a couple of years later I bought a new Remington 870 SP. I had a rifle front sight and an aperture rear sight installed on it. After 3 years I sold it. I just didnít like it.

I settled on the Mossberg 500. I have owned a few more since. A few weeks ago, I bought my first Mossberg 590A1 for a H.D. shotgun.

Next year, I plan on buying another Mossberg 500 with an aperture rear sight with a rail and an 18.5Ē barrel with a rifle front sight as a short shotgun and a slug barrel with a rifle front sight for deer season.

Everybody has their own preferences. You just need to figure out which one you shoot the most and why. Then it will all come together for you.
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Old 11-24-2012, 20:44   #27
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I own a mossberg 500 and really like it. I think the action cycles and feels smoother on the 870s, but I much prefer the location of the controls on the mossberg. Good luck
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Old 11-24-2012, 23:31   #28
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The Remington design is smoother(IMO) for no other reason that the "shell lifter"(or whatever nomenclature Remington or Mossberg use) is not, 100% mechanically actuated by racking the gun. In the Remington, it is "tripped" by the action but truly lifted by springs. This allows the Remington to be "smoother" for the most part.

That being said, I'd reckon the Mossberg style shell lifter will work longer since it isn't dependent on springs. Plus, the default up position of the lifter in the Mossberg allows for easier loading.

The controls on the Mossberg are just better, in my opinion. It really isn't even close. Unless you want a pistol grip stock, then the Mossberg is NOT user friendly.

I prefer the steel receiver of the Remington even though I understand, logically, it doesn't matter since in the Mossberg the steel bolt locks directly to the steel barrel extension. The Remington just feels better.

Either will do, methinks............
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:07   #29
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Firstly, mossbergs aren't all made in one place, in one design. You're talking about picking a company, and basing all you're firearm choices off the company, not that great. Every company shines, and dims in 1 subject or another. At least remington and mossberg, both make great shotguns. For training, and standardization, the biggest thing I'd see that changes, is the mossberg tang safety on the 500/590. I think it's the 500 bantam that has a cross bolt safety? Mossberg isn't even standardized in how they do things. I rarely used my safety on my mossberg, unless it was on a course of fire. Otherwise, I left it chamber empty, hammer down. Rack it, and rock it. That works for mossbergs, or remingtons, pumps.

What finally sold me on the remington vs mossberg arguement, was a couple things. The mossberg, I could get with interchangable barrels (18" open and 22-24" (cant remember exactly), modified chokes), for the same price. Also, the mossberg doesn't have that silly loading gate in the way to pinch your finger when you're loading. When it was my first shotgun, that was huge. Now, I've had a semi-auto for a while, you just learn to manuver your hand. I put everything I wanted onto the mossberg for cheaper than I could have gotten either one of them, set up from the factory. My sights weren't as nice, was the only draw-back. For shotgun ranges, I didn't need 1000 yard rifle sights anyway. A decent set of ghost rings was great.

My biggest problem with the 500/590, was the lack of the ability to add a magazine extension. So, if you get the mossberg, get it in the capacity you want. Remington, watch your loading thumb. Either way, post pics. We like porn.
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Old 11-27-2012, 17:39   #30
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Something that made me choose Remington over the Mossberg was the position of the safety and a replacement stock I was going to install.

The Mossberg has a tang safety which is great IF you stick with a conventional stock -- you just move it with your shooting hand thumb. However, if you're going to change it to a pistol gripped stock of any sort then it's in the wrong position to reach without moving your trigger hand.

The Remington's safety is on the trigger guard and is therefore able to be reached with a pistol gripped stock.

Good luck, they're both great guns!
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Old 11-27-2012, 18:32   #31
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Remington is my choice.
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Old 11-28-2012, 04:28   #32
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Both are great and both will serve you well, just personal preference. I prefer the Mosseberg 500 myself. I like where the controls are located better on the Mossberg than the Remington.
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Old 11-28-2012, 06:35   #33
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Just save yourself the trouble and angst and buy a Benelli M2 or M4 if you can swing the dough.
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:44   #34
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I won't reiterate what has been said on here about choosing which one you like best, but it is true. I personally cut my teeth on the 870 so I guess I have a soft spot for it, and it would be my choice, but that's just me.
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Old 11-28-2012, 14:16   #35
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I use my 590 for HD. I'm used to Mossberg from the times I spent in Security Forces when I was a young sailor so it was an easy choice for me.
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Old 11-28-2012, 14:49   #36
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I chose the Remington 870 because thats what they issued on the job. I was familier and very comfortable with it so why change.
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Old 11-28-2012, 14:52   #37
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I have owned several Mossbergs, purely for resale. I would never use anything for myself other than Remington. The Mossbergs just aren't as solid and reliable; they aren't as easy to repair; and they don't have the availablity of unlimited tube extension and the accessories and parts of Remington.
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Old 11-28-2012, 14:54   #38
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What finally sold me on the remington vs mossberg arguement, was a couple things. The mossberg, I could get with interchangable barrels (18" open and 22-24" (cant remember exactly), modified chokes), for the same price.
Remington offers the same - you can even get the with Rem-choke barrels.

How about magazine tube extensions on those Mossbergs? I can extend my Remington magazines as far as I want for $20-50.
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IS it just me, or when you guys read the thread title, do hear an old AARP/VFW gun shop buzzard saying "REMINTON" in that way they do?
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IS it just me, or when you guys read the thread title, do hear an old AARP/VFW gun shop buzzard saying "REMINTON" in that way they do?
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