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Old 11-14-2012, 18:45   #1
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Ramshot true blue?

posted using Outdoor Hub Campfire any opinions on this powder for a 124 grain 9mm load?
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:09   #2
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Ramshot True Blue is my favorite powder for 9mm. Five shot groups at 15 yards from a rest are 1' to 1.25" out of a G34. Groups and accuracy are very consistant from batch to batch of reloads.

MG 124 Gr JHP
5.6 Gr Ramshot True Blue
COL 1.115
Mixed range brass
Federal primers (CCI primers if I'm out of Federal)

Out of a G27 with a LW conversion barrel. 1.75" to 2" groups at 15 yards shooting from a rest using the same load.

My 2nd favorite powder for 124 Gr MG JHP is Power Pistol. Groups with PP are 1.5" to 1.75" out of a G34 from rest at 30'.
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Old 11-15-2012, 19:31   #3
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I find that it is very similar to Hodgdon HS-6.
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Old 11-16-2012, 09:40   #4
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Has anyone used True Blue with LRN or Moly coated bullets in 9mm? How clean does it burn at PFs 135 and above? Is there much smoke?
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:26   #5
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GlockGuy24,

I like Hodgdon HS6 with 9mm loads (124g bullets), and I have always wondered about powders like "True Blue".

Thanks for the comparison.
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:47   #6
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Burn Rate

I like to explore various powders to see just how they would react in various calibers. Since we are on the subject of True Blue - which is one of the powders I was interested in, how does it stack up against say similar powders on the (or a) burn chart when using the same bullet, in this case 9mm 124g JHP.

Boxerglocker question is great... "Has anyone used True Blue with LRN or Moly coated bullets in 9mm? How clean does it burn at PFs 135 and above? Is there much smoke?
anyone have any info about True blue or these other that are in the neighborhood (burn rate chart-wise)?

For example: http://www.hodgdon.com/burn-rate.html
38. IMR, Co Hi-Skor 800-X
39. IMR, Co SR 4756
40. Ramshot True Blue
41. Accurate Arms No. 5
42. Hodgdon HS-6
43. Winchester AutoComp

I have used 41 - 43 with 9mm but of the others.

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Old 11-16-2012, 11:50   #7
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^^^ I'm just getting started, But I have heard that True blue is the same as HS-6,Win231 and one other good one...AA#5? I think...

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Old 11-16-2012, 12:26   #8
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keach,

Just a quick note on AA #5, I have used this powder to load .380 ACP (95g FMJ RN), 9mm (124g FMJ RN) and .38 Special (158g PRN). All loads made very good target rounds.

AA#5 is a very fine powder, double-base, spherical handgun propellant. It does meter well and is consistent but fast(er) burning powder. Not quite like W231, (a bit more like Winchester WSF), but close enough, I have run then side by side and like them both.
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Old 11-16-2012, 16:29   #9
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keach,

Just a quick note on AA #5, I have used this powder to load .380 ACP (95g FMJ RN), 9mm (124g FMJ RN) and .38 Special (158g PRN). All loads made very good target rounds.

AA#5 is a very fine powder, double-base, spherical handgun propellant. It does meter well and is consistent but fast(er) burning powder. Not quite like W231, (a bit more like Winchester WSF), but close enough, I have run then side by side and like them both.
What recipe do u run your 124gr. 9mm?

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Old 11-16-2012, 16:54   #10
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Keach... "What recipe do u run your 124gr. 9mm?"

I've narrowed it down to 12 recipes depending on the powder I am using, but if you are referring to a recipe using AA#5 - here is my target load;

Casing - any good used brass
Cased length - .754" (standard)
Primer - CCI - Small Pistol #500 or Federal SP #100
Bullet - 124g RN FMJ, (.355" dia.) (Precision Delta)
Powder - Accurate No. 5 @ 6.2g
Powder range - 5.6g up to 6.4g (Speer)
Burn rate - #41 (Hodgdon)
Bullet seating O.A.L. - 1.135" (Speer)
Bullet crimp - Light (just enough to smooth it out if needed)
Test gun - G17 w/4.49" Barrel

velocity note: For some reason I can't locate my test numbers??? but the Speer manual states this charge amount (6.2g)/bullet will run at 1,042.4 fps.

I got a firm but very manageable kick with this, reacquisition of the target is fast, tested at 7-15 & 25 yards from a bench & pistol rest position as well as from a standing free hand. Accuracy was very good from all three distances.

Like I said I do like this powder, it is not my best or all time favorite for 9mm but it is a very good powder for the application I described and test for.

Just something else to "chew" on.
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Looking at the burn rate chart. I'm inclined to think "True Blue" would be best served for FMJ or CMJ applications. It burns slower than Power Pistol and I've given that a whirl with molys, smokes like a train. I was just curious as a fellow local shooter had 4 pounds to sell pretty cheap at about $10 a pound. The burn rate isn't much different from W321 and I have 4 pounds of that already.
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Old 11-16-2012, 20:03   #12
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Looking at the burn rate chart. I'm inclined to think "True Blue" would be best served for FMJ or CMJ applications. It burns slower than Power Pistol and I've given that a whirl with molys, smokes like a train. I was just curious as a fellow local shooter had 4 pounds to sell pretty cheap at about $10 a pound. The burn rate isn't much different from W321 and I have 4 pounds of that already.
Yeah the TB is cheap..TB+win spp+PD 124gr.=$138.00 per 1000

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Old 11-16-2012, 20:39   #13
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Boxerglocker & Kaech,

Ramshot True Blue...

I agree, for the price that's not bad. $17.40/1lb. @ Powder Valley, I think after Thanksgiving I'm gonna order a bottle and do some testing with it.
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Old 11-16-2012, 21:04   #14
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I think all the Ramshot powders are a little cheaper than the other big names at my local Sportsmans Warehouse.

I'm loading some Silhouette (same as WAP) in 40 cal now. I just finished a lb of Ramshot Competition. It's a pretty fast burner and a little goes a long way. It was also pretty clean.

.401 MBC IDP #7 140 gr lead
4.2 gr Competition
feels like a 9mm target load
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Old 11-20-2012, 20:47   #15
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W231 is nothing like True Blue. 231 is a faster pistol powder where True Blue is more of a medium burn rate pistol powder. True Blue meters like water and is versatile. I like Silhouette for 9mm, but have 4# bottles of VV3n37 to burn through first.

In IPSC, I ran 124-125 grain cast bullets with 4.5 grains of W231 for a 9mm minor load at about 1000 fps.
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