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Old 12-20-2013, 05:52   #126
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[QUOTE=hunter 111;20848550]A Miami cop sees more stuff in a day thsn a Pa cop in his lifetime[/QUOTE


More than a Phila. or Chester cop?

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Old 12-20-2013, 07:30   #127
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That is entirely possible.........could not wait to get out of Miami.
Harder to believe this thread is dragging on after a year!
The goal is to keep it going straight through to the next PA State Police sidearm change.

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Did anyone hear that the PA State Police will be trading in their Phase Plasma Pistol in a 25 Watt range to the new DL-40 Heavy blaster??

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Old 12-20-2013, 07:37   #128
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A Miami cop sees more stuff in a day thsn a Pa cop in his lifetime[/QUOTE


More than a Phila. or Chester cop?
I see quite a lot.
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Old 12-20-2013, 09:11   #129
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Blah, blah, blah, who gives a crap what the PA state police are doing
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Old 12-21-2013, 04:39   #130
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Wow! I wonder why he went from the Glock 21 to the Glock 17? I would almost bet that if he would have used the 17 the 9mm rounds wouldn't have gone through the windshield and done much if any damage.
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Old 12-21-2013, 05:03   #131
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Wow! I wonder why he went from the Glock 21 to the Glock 17? I would almost bet that if he would have used the 17 the 9mm rounds wouldn't have gone through the windshield and done much if any damage.
Windshield tests with Speer Gold Dot.

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53617 Velocity 1220 Recovered Bullet
9mm Luger +P Penetration 14.95
124 Expansion .543
1220 Retained Weight 103.9
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53962 Velocity 1025 Recovered Bullet
40 S&W Penetration 12.75
180 Expansion .612
1025 Retained Weight 154.4
GDHP

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53966 Velocity 890 Recovered Bullet
45 Auto Penetration 13.10
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Old 12-21-2013, 05:16   #132
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Windshield tests with Speer Gold Dot.

Product Tested


Test Results


Recovered Bullet
53617 Velocity 1220 Recovered Bullet
9mm Luger +P Penetration 14.95
124 Expansion .543
1220 Retained Weight 103.9
GDHP

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53962 Velocity 1025 Recovered Bullet
40 S&W Penetration 12.75
180 Expansion .612
1025 Retained Weight 154.4
GDHP

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53966 Velocity 890 Recovered Bullet
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GDHP
Interesting details. I guess what I should have originally asked was how much energy is the 9mm going to have going through a windshield and taking down somebody on the other side?
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Old 12-21-2013, 06:39   #133
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Interesting details. I guess what I should have originally asked was how much energy is the 9mm going to have going through a windshield and taking down somebody on the other side?

There is very little difference in the energy level of the 9mm and .45 Gold Dot rounds listed above at close ranges.

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Old 12-21-2013, 09:03   #134
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Blah, blah, blah, who gives a crap what the PA state police are doing
Yet you feel compelled to both read and post about it. I am interested in this as an avid GAP owner and shooter (and former Pennsylvanian).

Thanks for your valuable input.

Keeping it going.........
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Old 12-21-2013, 09:37   #135
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I wish I was issued a gen4 Glock 21 (or gen4 G30) for work. Good choice for PSP and I believe Phila PD.
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Old 03-12-2014, 04:04   #136
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If everyone can keep this thread going long enough, it can include the next pistol make/model/caliber adopted after this transition to .45 ACP ...

Which just may happen sooner than you think. There's reportedly been problems with the Gen4 21s the PSP got -as in the slides were prematurely locking back and the trigger not resetting.

They are permitting troopers to carry personal weapons and already seeking a replacement.
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Old 03-12-2014, 06:40   #137
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Which just may happen sooner than you think. There's reportedly been problems with the Gen4 21s the PSP got -as in the slides were prematurely locking back and the trigger not resetting.

They are permitting troopers to carry personal weapons and already seeking a replacement.
What has happen to Glock. The 1st, 2nd ans army 3rd Generations, at least in 9MM were fine. Clean, lube and go shooting, but now that seems to be a thing of the pass.
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Old 03-12-2014, 07:43   #138
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Which just may happen sooner than you think. There's reportedly been problems with the Gen4 21s the PSP got -as in the slides were prematurely locking back and the trigger not resetting.

They are permitting troopers to carry personal weapons and already seeking a replacement.
Wow, that's a big move for the PSP. The few that I've spoken too said duty gear was very strict, right down to where everything must be worn on the belt.
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Old 03-12-2014, 11:06   #139
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That's too bad. My G21 Gen4 has been flawless. Carrying it on duty as we speak.


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Old 03-12-2014, 11:50   #140
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A Miami cop sees more stuff in a day thsn a Pa cop in his lifetime
Not if you are in Philly.
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Old 03-12-2014, 12:06   #141
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Not if you are in Philly.
While not as bad as Miami or Philly, meth heads up here in farm country PA keep our local LEOs quite busy.
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Old 03-12-2014, 14:07   #142
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Wow, that's a big move for the PSP. The few that I've spoken too said duty gear was very strict, right down to where everything must be worn on the belt.
Yes, it was quite a shock for me to hear that too!
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Old 03-12-2014, 20:47   #143
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Which just may happen sooner than you think. There's reportedly been problems with the Gen4 21s the PSP got -as in the slides were prematurely locking back and the trigger not resetting.

They are permitting troopers to carry personal weapons and already seeking a replacement.
Yes you are right. Glock replaced all of the trigger bars on PSP G21G4's this past weekend. Apparently the problem could not be replicated with DUTY rds. just practice ammo.

Many rumors floating around, like they are dumping Glocks for Sig P227's or M&P's. These rumors are unsubstantiated and they are keeping the G21G4's for now.
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Old 03-12-2014, 21:42   #144
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I have typed this 100 times here on GT but here it is again...

45ACP,GAP are fine SD rounds for most people, especially when automobiles are not involved. For State Troopers, I believe the penetration and capacity the 357auto offers over them is substantial and can't be denied. If I were making the decision, my Troopers would have a 5" 357auto in Glock or M&P flavor with a 90 degree forward rotate design holster for in the cruiser. Train to slap it back on exiting the vehicle and you already have 50% more rds. on tap with no mag change iin addition to better barrier penetration. This all equals more troopers coming home to their family's at the end of their shift's. The 45 (ACP or GAP) is the worst choice for Highway Patrol, IMO.

I hope NYSP along with our Troopers here in Florida make the change soon.
You hit the nail right on the head Gator. The only thing I would add is the 10mm. But most women, and smaller men don't handle to 10mm that well.
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Old 03-13-2014, 00:08   #145
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Gatorboy, I will not argue that 45acp/gap is a poor performer against barriers, engines, doors, and even body armor. Something that 45acp/gap is good at is not being deflected through glass.
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Old 03-13-2014, 07:05   #146
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I will take all the .45 GAP range brass that anyone is willing to send to me!!!I will even pay shipping!!!LOL!!!
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Old 03-13-2014, 21:14   #147
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A good friend of mine who is on the PSP confirmed with me today that their Gen4 G21s were recalled and new trigger bars installed to fix a trigger reset problem. This did not fix the problems and speculation there are frame issues. Meanwhile they can carry their GAPs or other weapons they have qualified with. He said they are looking at M&P or Sig to replace the Glock. Also, somewhere on this forum, a member reported having trigger reset problems with his new G41 using hot ammo. I believe the same frames are used on both. This problem is a reliability "show stopper" in my opinion. the weapon must go bang when you need it to!
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A good friend of mine who is on the PSP confirmed with me today that their Gen4 G21s were recalled and new trigger bars installed to fix a trigger reset problem. This did not fix the problems and speculation there are frame issues. Meanwhile they can carry their GAPs or other weapons they have qualified with. He said they are looking at M&P or Sig to replace the Glock. Also, somewhere on this forum, a member reported having trigger reset problems with his new G41 using hot ammo. I believe the same frames are used on both. This problem is a reliability "show stopper" in my opinion. the weapon must go bang when you need it to!
Well, I guess our PSP friends have differing views. I am in PA, you are over the hills toward the Pacific?

Yes there was a somewhat recall- Bring your G21G4's to station. New trigger bars installed.

Yes, they were told you can carry reissued G37's or previously qualified pistols until "issues" have been resolved.

Issues were with practice Speer ammo. Problems were not replicated with duty rounds. Supposedly there were less than 30 pistols that there were problems with.

Did the contract insist on "immediate delivery?'. Possibly resulting in some spec issues?

Rumor has it (unsubstantiated), Someone in the Firearms division wasn't happy with the decision to go with Glock in last round of testing-searching for .45ACP instead of .45GAP, and they wanted SIG or S&W (maybe for a job after soon to be retirement?, just saying) Time will tell. But this could definately be a "Black eye" for GLOCK. If this is a real "problem" I may just lose some respect for Glock and GLOCK PERFECTION!
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Sound like they should have stuck with the G37s.
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It's not common, but sometimes a production problem can occur with assemblies like trigger bars, and it's not recognized until a certain bunch of guns reach user/owner hands.

I remember learning of when another very well known & respected gun, widely used in LE/Gov circles, was bought by a state agency many years ago. The first shipment of a couple hundred of the new guns had improperly machined trigger bars that caused the guns to "decock" upon trigger press, dropping the hammers but not allowing the guns to fire.

The company diagnosed the problem, but said it would take a couple months to get new replacement trigger bars, so that new shipment of guns had to be taken out-of-service until they could get new trigger bars.

Sometimes things happen during manufacturing that may not be caught and corrected as quickly as either a gun company, or the user/owner, might wish. They're still just machines, you know.
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