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Old 11-30-2012, 08:23   #81
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I'm not believing this but I just heard that NYSP just switched to 357Sig after only having the GAP for 4 years. Any NYSP here?
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Old 11-30-2012, 09:06   #82
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Hey PA, go for the Glock Model 21!!!

And G36s for the small-handed women.
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Old 11-30-2012, 09:44   #83
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I'm not believing this but I just heard that NYSP just switched to 357Sig after only having the GAP for 4 years. Any NYSP here?
IIRC, 4 years is the replacement interval under CALEA. If you're going to make a change, that's the time to do it.

Now when you have less than 2 years between changes, there's something up. So it was with the local PD and their Sig P220s. They had a large number of failures (related to sample size) and contacted Sig, who promptly told them to pound sand. Less than 2 years later...Glocks all around.
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Old 11-30-2012, 11:17   #84
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I'm not believing this but I just heard that NYSP just switched to 357Sig after only having the GAP for 4 years. Any NYSP here?
I have typed this 100 times here on GT but here it is again...

45ACP,GAP are fine SD rounds for most people, especially when automobiles are not involved. For State Troopers, I believe the penetration and capacity the 357auto offers over them is substantial and can't be denied. If I were making the decision, my Troopers would have a 5" 357auto in Glock or M&P flavor with a 90 degree forward rotate design holster for in the cruiser. Train to slap it back on exiting the vehicle and you already have 50% more rds. on tap with no mag change iin addition to better barrier penetration. This all equals more troopers coming home to their family's at the end of their shift's. The 45 (ACP or GAP) is the worst choice for Highway Patrol, IMO.

I hope NYSP along with our Troopers here in Florida make the change soon.
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Old 11-30-2012, 12:33   #85
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I was told by a reliable source that PSP will be going to the G21 sometime early next year.
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Old 11-30-2012, 13:51   #86
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I was told by a reliable source that PSP will be going to the G21 sometime early next year.
Considering you can't get any closer to "ballistic twins", this is really bad for the GAP. Capacity is'nt even much more and I know they have at least one female and at least one male trooper with small hands. Maybe they'll issue +P which the GAP can't come close to? Maybe they want to use a GD 230 which is'nt made in GAP?
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Old 11-30-2012, 19:43   #87
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I'm not believing this but I just heard that NYSP just switched to 357Sig after only having the GAP for 4 years. Any NYSP here?
I'm calling BS. .357sig ammo is more expensive than GAP.
I also can't find any sources to back this up.
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Old 11-30-2012, 19:45   #88
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I'm calling BS. .357sig ammo is more expensive than GAP.
I also can't find any sources to back this up.
No it is not, especially with contract prices.
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Old 11-30-2012, 19:50   #89
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I'm calling BS. .357sig ammo is more expensive than GAP.
I also can't find any sources to back this up.
They didn't say why. I'm asking if anyone else has knowledge.
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Old 12-01-2012, 01:34   #90
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As suspected. The state PDs that got the free GAP guns are switching away to a more mainstream caliber. And to the joker that said who cares what the PSP do, funny how GAPers would always use state police use as a justification for the Glock glamour round, but now that they are switching, it's "who cares".
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Old 12-01-2012, 11:53   #91
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These moves by the State police agencies are "coffin nails" for the GAP!
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Old 12-01-2012, 17:54   #92
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These moves by the State police agencies are "coffin nails" for the GAP!
I called this long ago. As the GAP freebes go end of life, they will be replaced by mainstream calibers. The GAP is a failed round, face it.
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Old 12-01-2012, 18:08   #93
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Huh?

Many of us on these gun related sites have something of an interest in the weapons carried by police and other professional agencies - right?
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Blah, blah, blah, who gives a crap what the PA state police are doing
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Old 12-17-2012, 15:05   #94
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I called this long ago. As the GAP freebes go end of life, they will be replaced by mainstream calibers. The GAP is a failed round, face it.
Many small agencies are happy with the .45 GAP as are the state police. I doubt the caliber is being discontinued any time soon.
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Well, I was WRONG in several posts over the past 2 years.

Yes, I admit I was WRONG. At least I will admit it. I really thought because of the economy, Odumba admin. etc. that PSP would not transition to the G21G4. Well, They did! They are starting to slowly transition. PSP will be issuing G21G4's with TAC lights attached(not sure which ones yet or which holster).

We have since traded out our G37's and G38's. Guess we will soon be just .45 ACP and .40 S&W. I am sad to report .45 GAP is being phased out.

Recently, I have received info. (from a FBI agent) that several Federal agencies maybe going back to 9mm. Any one heard the same??????
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Old 09-19-2013, 23:07   #96
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One of my friends is a PSP trooper, and we were talking guns 3 weeks ago. He said the same to me that you mentioned above. He is getting issued a Gen 4 G21 with a tac light attached. He said he would not be purchasing his currently issued .45 gap.
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Old 09-20-2013, 03:04   #97
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Well, I was WRONG in several posts over the past 2 years.

Yes, I admit I was WRONG. At least I will admit it. I really thought because of the economy, Odumba admin. etc. that PSP would not transition to the G21G4. Well, They did! They are starting to slowly transition. PSP will be issuing G21G4's with TAC lights attached(not sure which ones yet or which holster).

We have since traded out our G37's and G38's. Guess we will soon be just .45 ACP and .40 S&W. I am sad to report .45 GAP is being phased out.

Recently, I have received info. (from a FBI agent) that several Federal agencies maybe going back to 9mm. Any one heard the same??????
What .40s are still in use? Did some keep their Berettas?
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Old 09-20-2013, 06:54   #98
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Recently, I have received info. (from a FBI agent) that several Federal agencies maybe going back to 9mm. Any one heard the same??????


I heard they were considering going back to the 9mm for several months now.
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Old 09-22-2013, 16:00   #99
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Old 09-22-2013, 16:10   #100
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If they think they made a mistake in choosing the GAP they need to LIVE WITH IT and not correct it with taxpayer money!!!!!

Glocks are made to last a long time. Maybe in 30 years they can get new guns!!!!
They may not be using taxpayer funds. Many agencies (mine included) use seizure money + trade-in guns to get it done.
Also the reason could be an important factor. If they are having problems getting ammo for training/duty, I would say that's a good reason for dumping the guns. That is assuming the problem is based on the cartridge and not the availability of ammo in general.
DISCLAIMER: I don't know what the reason is for the trade.
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