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Old 11-13-2012, 16:26   #176
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Where did you get that number?
Its the typical concensus as of the late 90's. and no, I cant prove it.
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Old 11-13-2012, 16:28   #177
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Hey Jason, I don't think you understand. We aren't going to prison!
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Capitulate.
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Going down swinging.

Going down swinging would be my best option.


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Out of curiosity for those that would fight, are there any circumstances in which you might not fight when they come for your guns? Suppose you glanced out the front and back doors and there were say a couple dozen or more heavily armed and armored tactical types - the odds were overwhelmingly against you. What if instead of at home, they came for you at work, or at the grocery store?

If you are surrounded. It's time for the blaze of glory.

As for the second or third. I am never without a firearm for defense. Wife, children, any other innocence would be free to leave if they didn't burn us alive first.




Again though.

I hope to God I am not forced hurt anyone. It is not my intention to foment insurrection or the killing of anyone.
I will not however give up my legally purchased property without a fight.
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Old 11-13-2012, 17:45   #178
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Turn what in?
Weren't we in the canoe together when it turned over in that deep lake, what was the name of that lake again, I can never remember . . .
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Old 11-13-2012, 19:07   #179
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On what authority? I am just a guy on the internet talking with fellow gun owners about common everyday things that we all encounter and experience. I read that there was one person left from the katrina event who was still in court over a firearm and that the matter was settled. My comment was simply my impression from news that I followed for a time. I am not making any authoritive proclamation and I have no proof. This is all just friendly fruitful debate between fellow gun owners. At least that is how I intended my comments to be taken.
Hmmmm... From what I've read (admittedly some time ago), it was "impossible" to return the guns, because they had no records of the owners. The confiscations were by force and no receipts were given. I also read articles (with photos) of rusted piles of guns that had been confiscated.

Just ran a search. Nothing of recent vintage. But, in this article, very few had been returned. And, getting your gun back required you to PROVE that it's yours with a receipt that includes the serial number. How many people have those receipts? Of those that DID have receipts, how many were lost in the storm damage?

So, the police did NOT give receipts, nor did they do any sort of record keeping about the owners.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,192347,00.html
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Old 11-13-2012, 19:35   #180
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I highly doubt that we would ever see a national door to door round up of firearms. If we did then I'm sure that some people would put up a fight. We would see some instances of gun owners being killed when the collectors (govt) came, but I'm sure we would also see some dead on the govt side when people realized they didn't stand a fair chance against heavily armed forces and started resorting to guerrilla warfare via explosives or ambushes.
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Old 11-13-2012, 22:26   #181
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In the 1770s, it was mostly BYOG (bring your own gun). They didn't have email or even phones. Yet, somehow they managed to defeat the most powerful military force on the planet (England). And, they did it with small arms.
The British were using technology essentially equal to the Colonists. Greater numbers, yes, but long guns and cannons were more or less evenly matched.

Anyone who thinks they can run around the woods these days playing "MinuteMan" (with Grandpa's old 30-40 Krag deer rifle) is going to end up a greasy spot on the ground when a Predator drone smokes them from 40,000 feet.

Anyone who points to insurgents in the middle east standing up to the US forgets the military has had restraints in how aggressive they could be in the midst of civilian populations, and that these insurgents are supplied by outside forces.

When the gloves come off, and civilians are commonly targeted, the bulldozers will quickly erase any lingering PR problems with those new policies.

Is Canada going to supply mortar shells for Patriots to make IEDs from when the Blue Hats come calling? Probably not.
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Old 11-13-2012, 22:37   #182
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Anyone who points to insurgents in the middle east standing up to the US forgets the military has had restraints in how aggressive they could be in the midst of civilian populations, and that these insurgents are supplied by outside forces.

When the gloves come off, and civilians are commonly targeted, the bulldozers will quickly erase any lingering PR problems with those new policies.
Wow .
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Old 11-13-2012, 22:42   #183
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What a question?!

Of course I would muster the civil obedience and turn my guns in. I follow all laws to the tittle, never even got a parking ticket.


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Old 11-14-2012, 05:06   #184
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The British were using technology essentially equal to the Colonists. Greater numbers, yes, but long guns and cannons were more or less evenly matched.

Anyone who thinks they can run around the woods these days playing "MinuteMan" (with Grandpa's old 30-40 Krag deer rifle) is going to end up a greasy spot on the ground when a Predator drone smokes them from 40,000 feet.

Anyone who points to insurgents in the middle east standing up to the US forgets the military has had restraints in how aggressive they could be in the midst of civilian populations, and that these insurgents are supplied by outside forces.

When the gloves come off, and civilians are commonly targeted, the bulldozers will quickly erase any lingering PR problems with those new policies.

Is Canada going to supply mortar shells for Patriots to make IEDs from when the Blue Hats come calling? Probably not.
Colorful fantasy. There aren't enough drones (nor enough money for the missiles) to take out millions of Patriots. It would be logistically impossible for our own military to emerge victorious over our citizens. I'll refer you again to the Samuel Adams quote. Good luck!
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Old 11-14-2012, 05:22   #185
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What a question?!

Of course I would muster the civil obedience and turn my guns in. I follow all laws to the tittle, never even got a parking ticket.


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Old 11-14-2012, 07:52   #186
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I do wonder how many people would actually resist and would resistance be on a (well ordered) group basis or by individuals.

Of course I am also slightly skeptical of the ability of one person armed with only a handgun because they are not at home and not near their car to be able to fend off an entire tactical team. My guess is that sort of thing works better in movies and internet discussions and perhaps not quite as well in real life. I also wonder if faced with overwhelming odds at what point does the action go from a blazing act of martyrdom to a foolish act of suicide.
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Old 11-14-2012, 07:58   #187
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Just in case anyone was wondering:

Yes, we're all on "The List" now.

And some of us have our names highlighted and underlined for what we've posted in this thread.

I'm completely serious about this, I'm not making a tinfoil hat or anything.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:09   #188
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I do wonder how many people would actually resist and would resistance be on a (well ordered) group basis or by individuals.

Of course I am also slightly skeptical of the ability of one person armed with only a handgun because they are not at home and not near their car to be able to fend off an entire tactical team. My guess is that sort of thing works better in movies and internet discussions and perhaps not quite as well in real life. I also wonder if faced with overwhelming odds at what point does the action go from a blazing act of martyrdom to a foolish act of suicide.
If it was to the point that they were actually carrying out these confiscations then going to work would fall way down on my list of things to do. What I would do is start loading my magazines with the steel core ammo for those that are wearing vests. I would also get organized with other gun owners that want to make a stand for freedom. Those that don't want to fight for their freedom had better stay out of the way or become casualties of war.

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Just in case anyone was wondering:

Yes, we're all on "The List" now.

And some of us have our names highlighted and underlined for what we've posted in this thread.

I'm completely serious about this, I'm not making a tinfoil hat or anything.
Those are the ones that they need to worry about the most, and for good reason

Besides, it'll be easier if they come to us instead of us having to go to them.


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Old 11-14-2012, 09:55   #189
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government wants people to be "sheep" and not resist..
when citizens don't own guns.. they become slaves..

do you think the present reigning "dictator" will stop at just
confiscating our guns? HARDLY.. we will become another 3rd world nation ... NO FREEDOMS, NO RIGHTS.. NO ELECTIONS.. he probably will use executive order before the next 4 years and become the U.S . first permanent president.. (uh dictator)
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And what happens if they put a few people undercover into the resistance?
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:14   #191
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We have been on a list for years. NRA members, Gun owners etc etc.
Just depends on how paranoid you want to get. This Obamacare crap had gun clauses in it.
I cant find the links for it, can anybody here? The guy that gave our CCW class read it word for word. He said the lawyers had it stripped out at the last minute once it was found.

Would we put up with confiscation again in a natural dissaster? You cant wait on it to come to your door.
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Old 11-14-2012, 15:40   #193
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So.... Several folks have mentioned katrina and the gun confiscation in New Orleans, but how did the jackbooted thugs know who had the guns? I'm sure they were too busy to do a house to house search, so how did they find them?
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So.... Several folks have mentioned katrina and the gun confiscation in New Orleans, but how did the jackbooted thugs know who had the guns? I'm sure they were too busy to do a house to house search, so how did they find them?


In the video I posted government agents entered a home against the will of the homeowner, then proceeded to forcibly disarm and remove said homeowner...injuring her in the process.

It happened.
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I do wonder how many people would actually resist and would resistance be on a (well ordered) group basis or by individuals.
I don't know, but I've certainly met a lot of varied people who have built up tiny stockpiles in the past couple years who never did before. There are a lot of unemployed, underemployed, and retired people in this country right now with little left to lose. Having said that, history doesn't favor mass resistance actually materializing in other countries.
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Old 11-14-2012, 16:02   #197
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All my guns were stolen last weekend. I meant to report it, but got sidetracked. With stuff.
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So.... Several folks have mentioned katrina and the gun confiscation in New Orleans, but how did the jackbooted thugs know who had the guns? I'm sure they were too busy to do a house to house search, so how did they find them?
Some of the people evacuating had their guns with them
(they weren't going to leave them behind for the looters). They were in areas where looting was taking place and were approached by the local LEO's, questioned and disarmed for "safety" reasons.

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How well did that confiscation process go? How many guns did they get? How widespread was it?

Sure you can get a couple guns, but you can't take 'em from the USA.
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How well did that confiscation process go? How many guns did they get? How widespread was it?

Sure you can get a couple guns, but you can't take 'em from the USA.
They went well enough to seemingly get every gun they tried for.

We don't know how many they got because they didn't record them.

We aren't sure how widespread it was...but it was far, FAR too much, regardless.

If they can take them there, why not anywhere else?
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