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Old 11-05-2012, 16:10   #41
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They? The VA Hospital does not set that policy. Federal law prohibits weapons in Federal facilities.
Oh, I didn't realize.
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Old 11-06-2012, 16:31   #42
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It's NOT in the least inflammatory. I had friends that were MURDERED because they could not carry to defend themselves...
Political Correctness murdered those soldiers. The Army had a lot of warning the terrorist major was gonna go off but if they woulda tried to counsel him, they would been branded racist. Instead of trying to hold him accountable at Walter Reed they promoted him so he could 'go off' on someone else's watch.

I admittedly wasn't there but the Army is a reflection of the country it serves and that's just the way I figure it went down. (Ironically, my oldest was deployed with The First Team to Iraq when this terrorist attack occurred... where she was required to carry a M16A2 24/7 for protection.)
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:18   #43
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Political Correctness murdered those soldiers. The Army had a lot of warning the terrorist major was gonna go off but if they woulda tried to counsel him, they would been branded racist. Instead of trying to hold him accountable at Walter Reed they promoted him so he could 'go off' on someone else's watch.

I admittedly wasn't there but the Army is a reflection of the country it serves and that's just the way I figure it went down. (Ironically, my oldest was deployed with The First Team to Iraq when this terrorist attack occurred... where she was required to carry a M16A2 24/7 for protection.)
An other reason to dislike political correctness!
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Old 11-08-2012, 13:44   #44
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Has nothing to do with being politically correct. Military bases have had prohibitions on arms prior to active shooters even hitting the news.

It's called risk management. The risk of being victimized on a military based is remote & the likelihood of teenagers, new shooters, etc. having an AD is higher.
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Old 11-08-2012, 21:30   #45
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Has nothing to do with being politically correct. Military bases have had prohibitions on arms prior to active shooters even hitting the news.

It's called risk management. The risk of being victimized on a military based is remote & the likelihood of teenagers, new shooters, etc. having an AD is higher.
I'm aware of that... I pulled a hitch as Army Military Police back in the early '70's before entering civilian LE (where I'm still serving).

I believe the problem is much more deep rooted. In most (if not all) cases active shooters have emotional issues that are recognizable to the people around them. To begin with, these people shouldn't even have access to firearms. Intervention must occur before they strike.

Another AWB will do nothing to improve the situation but Never waste a Good Crisis, remember?
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Old 11-09-2012, 09:52   #46
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When I was at Ft. Carson, back in the late 70's and early 80's half of the staff packed heat in their car as it was legal then in Colorado. About once a month they would pull a stop and search at all the gates right at quitting time. I'd hit the O club and always see the same guys there having beer waiting for the gate searches to end. I even tually found a back road that went to the golf course and a gate that wasn't covered. Too many people found out about it and the post General stiop that exit. So the O club always did a booming business on gate search day. Oh and NO you didn't really want the MPs to search your car with a concealed handgun in it. Illegal on a Federal reservtion.
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Old 11-09-2012, 10:44   #47
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I live in the barracks on a Marine Corps base and find that although they search your vehicle from time to time they will never search your person as long as you're not inebriated or being detained. Because of this i generally keep a glock secured in my glovebox, another secured in my room and also carry concealed depending on the uniform of the day. Although this is definitely in violation of a base order I'd much rather take a page 11 then a few bullets in the chest.
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Old 11-09-2012, 16:23   #48
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We have done a lot of projects at my Guard unit....I'll leave it at that, but for the first time we are getting an active shooter reaction plan together....sad state of affairs.
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Old 11-09-2012, 19:17   #49
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Well you're not alone... my agency hasn't trained us in how to respond to an active shooter incident either.
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Old 11-13-2012, 21:06   #50
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Well you're not alone... my agency hasn't trained us in how to respond to an active shooter incident either.
Why should they? For nearly all military bases, mass shootings are very rare.
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Old 11-13-2012, 21:56   #51
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If visiting or picking up someone on a military base.In a state that accepts your ccw.What do you do?Surrender carry gun to security at main gate?Store gun unloaded and locked in a case?
Rules vary by installation. At NWS Charleston I regularly brought my 1911. I declared it at the main gate, cleared it, and then placed it with the slide locked back into a weapons locker. I filled out a registration form, tore the receipt off the form, and then locked the form in the locker with the pistol.

When leaving the base, I presented my receipt to security, and they allowed me to retrieve my pistol, which I promptly loaded and holstered.
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Old 11-14-2012, 15:49   #52
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i was recently asked to speak at a base near me. as a retired county police sgt as well as a retired field grade officer. i asked for means to secure my wqeapon. the generals aide thought i was crazy, but i insisted on it and he did nt know what to do. he agreed that the area s just off base was not secure. he couldnt undersatand that there would be risk hell i locked up a lot of folks in that non secure just off base. well he said he would get back to me stil;l waiting. but thats ok. if they cant trust a retiredx police and a retired field grade , well dont need them. as an aside the baltimnore va has lock boxes for us, abnd we keep the key.
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Old 11-16-2012, 21:41   #53
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Rules vary by installation. At NWS Charleston I regularly brought my 1911. I declared it at the main gate, cleared it, and then placed it with the slide locked back into a weapons locker. I filled out a registration form, tore the receipt off the form, and then locked the form in the locker with the pistol.

When leaving the base, I presented my receipt to security, and they allowed me to retrieve my pistol, which I promptly loaded and holstered.
A gun-friendly military base - how nice!
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:24   #54
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A gun-friendly military base - how nice!
Other than one pissy NCO who didn't appreciate being asked the procedure for receiving registered firearms by a new guy working the gate, it was really a very pleasant experience working onboard the NWS. That was the first day, but after that it was very easy.

I guess it doesn't happen too often, as they treated me as a bit of a novelty. I was always "that guy with the 1911". They had a lot of positive comments regarding my choice of handgun.
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