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Old 10-28-2012, 13:26   #101
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'Why care if it doesn't affect you?' It is unfortunate that this is such a common attitude. It is usually acompanied by a fervor to limit other people's liberties, as long as you don't agree/partake of them EVEN if it doesn't affect you.

BS. So now I am limiting peoples liberties because I dont care about gay marriage? Read the posts again, I said no such thing. Why should I give a damn about marijuana laws when I dont smoke it? I'm not going to base my vote on that.
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Old 10-28-2012, 13:28   #102
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The point is that you, and me, and our neighbors all need to be able to have an AR or an AK in the closet in case the federal govt tries to take too much power. We are a young nation and we have already had one such civil war. I'm sure there will eventually be another. You need to be able to pull your AR or AK out of the closet.
What do you mean by take too much power?

So are you telling me that if an American soldier came to your house following orders you would shoot them?

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Old 10-28-2012, 13:31   #103
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'Why care if it doesn't affect you?' It is unfortunate that this is such a common attitude. It is usually acompanied by a fervor to limit other people's liberties, as long as you don't agree/partake of them EVEN if it doesn't affect you.

"When they came for the Jews, I said nothing because I am not a Jew..."

I think that is related to where you are going with this. I do think that it is sometimes just indifference rather than active hostility.. I don't care for people who spew pro-Nazi or anti-American BS. I despise Pat Robertson.

But if the government wants to go after any of them, I'll support their rights because if I am indifferent today, my views and rights may be a target tomorrow.

I don't like every position of the NRA, but I'm a member. I certainly don't agree with many of the positions of the ACLU, but I'm a member.

Right to bear arms, freedom of speech, freedom from unreasonable searches, right to a lawyer, etc etc etc...

The Bill of Rights: Support them all or lose them all.
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Old 10-28-2012, 13:33   #104
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Where did I say that Frank? Just point that out. If thats an issue for you that decides your vote then yes, you should.

Dont try to put words in peoples mouth
You said you don't understand how a pro-gun person could vote for dems. Same dilemma.
I also support gay marriage. Marijuana legalization.
I call myself a libertarian. But I would expect democrats would call me a traitor for not voting for Obama based on the subjects i listed.
If republicans were conservatives instead of being the morality police there would be no split.
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Old 10-28-2012, 13:35   #105
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What do you mean by take too much power?

So are you telling me that if an American soldier came to your house following orders you would shoot them?
Coming to your house to arrest you because you spoke against the government? "Just following orders" does not excuse immoral conduct.

If we get to the point where the government is moving towards totalitarianism, putting a round through that soldier's head is a matter of self defense.
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Old 10-28-2012, 13:39   #106
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You said you don't understand how a pro-gun person could vote for dems. Same dilemma.
I also support gay marriage. Marijuana legalization.
I call myself a libertarian. But I would expect democrats would call me a traitor for not voting for Obama based on the subjects i listed.
If republicans were conservatives instead of being the morality police there would be no split.
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Coming to your house to arrest you because you spoke against the government? "Just following orders" does not excuse immoral conduct.

If we get to the point where the government is moving towards totalitarianism, putting a round through that soldier's head is a matter of self defense.
So now you're saying the first amendment is on its way out too?

We're pushing it here.....

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There are 2 militias. The first, the "unorganized militia", is the militia of the founders, of which most of us are members. The second, the "organized militia", is the National Guard, formed long after the ratification of our Constitution and Bill of Rights.
There are also small forces that answer to the governor. I think that these are more like the militias that existed in the late 1700s.
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What do you mean by take too much power?

So are you telling me that if an American soldier came to your house following orders you would shoot them?

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The way it actually would go down is Texas would secede, followed by other states, and it would be on. Then you would need that rifle.
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Old 10-28-2012, 13:42   #110
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You said you don't understand how a pro-gun person could vote for dems. Same dilemma.
I also support gay marriage. Marijuana legalization.
I call myself a libertarian. But I would expect democrats would call me a traitor for not voting for Obama based on the subjects i listed.
If republicans were conservatives instead of being the morality police there would be no split.
And I said all that same stuff right here, in this thread. I think I even used the phrase "legislating morality." So why single my post and put that? I was saying the exact opposite. My posting was about prioritizing your beliefs. We cant vote for all of our beliefs so we have to pick the ones that matter the most. A person that suppoirts gun rights as a primary belief cannot vote democrat and support those rights.
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So now you're saying the first amendment is on its way out too?

We're pushing it here.....

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Compared to 100 years ago the first amendment is on it's way out.
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Old 10-28-2012, 13:44   #112
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The way it actually would go down is Texas would secede, followed by other states, and it would be on. Then you would need that rifle.
Not really because I'm not sure you'd have anyone to fight.....

We northerners prob wouldn't mind if a few southern states dropped off.

Haha, sorry I couldn't resist. We northerners love you guys, please don't go!!

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What do you mean by take too much power?

So are you telling me that if an American soldier came to your house following orders you would shoot them?

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That actually loosely describes the very reason for the second amendment.
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The way it actually would go down is Texas would secede, followed by other states, and it would be on cuz. Then you would need that rifle.
You forgot the "cuz."
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That actually loosely describes the very reason for the second amendment.
Yeah I get that.

I'm asking you of you could look a young kid in the face and shoot him?

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Yeah I get that.

I'm asking you of you could look a young kid in the face and shoot him?

Not sure of I could unless he physically attempted something, then all bets are off.

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Since we're playing the hypothetical game, why is he here?
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Yeah I get that.

I'm asking you of you could look a young kid in the face and shoot him?

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If a youth tried to rob you with the threat of deadly force, would you defend yourself?
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Since we're playing the hypothetical game, why is he here?
OK.....To take your AR because you didn't turn it in.

You can keep all other guns except assault weapons and sawed off shot guns.

The soldier doesn't want to take it, agrees with you, but has to for fear of his own reprimand.

What do you do?

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Now I'll bring a specific group front and center: Pink Pistols. This organization's motto is, "Armed gays don't get bashed." This organization is non-partisan, and limits the agenda to gay and gun rights.

They have another saying: "The more people know that members of our community may be armed, the less likely they will be able to single us out for attack." Does that idea sound familiar? Gay or straight, thugs hesitate at the thought that their target may be packing heat.

Pink Pistols encourages gays, lesbians, what have you to get a firearm and learn how to use it. Obviously, they support the right to have guns. They also support CCW.
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If a youth tried to rob you with the threat of deadly force, would you defend yourself?
See my other post for scenario

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Yeah I get that.

I'm asking you of you could look a young kid in the face and shoot him?

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If a "young kid" has the balls to try to take my firearms or unjustly force me from my home, let's just say he had better have more than just soft body armor on.
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If a "young kid" has the balls to try to take my firearms or unjustly force me from my home, let's just say he had better have more than just soft body armor on.
Guys, read a few posts first. The scenario had already been discussed and laid out

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BS. So now I am limiting peoples liberties because I dont care about gay marriage? Read the posts again, I said no such thing. Why should I give a damn about marijuana laws when I dont smoke it? I'm not going to base my vote on that.
No BS. The key word was "usually". If it doesn't fit you, then you're not half bad. The other half is the one that just doesn't care.

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OK.....To take your AR because you didn't turn it in.

You can keep all other guns except assault weapons and sawed off shot guns.

The soldier doesn't want to take it, agrees with you, but has to for fear of his own reprimand.

What do you do?

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He's a cowardly piece of **** not worthy of the uniform enforcing unconstitutional laws that violate my natural rights.

Tell me more about these assault weapons I have in your fantasy....

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Impossible...everybody knows only Republicans can be pro-gun and only Democrats can be pro-choice.

Oh, wait...I'm both, so where does that leave me?
Amen, and EVeryone knows that we are either republicans OR democrats, liberal OR conservative, no middle ground, nor non-affiliates need apply to the thinking, as NO one thinks for themselves, right ?

or is it left ?

Ime out and either arriving OR leaving, depends on your perspective....
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