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Old 10-28-2012, 09:22   #51
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Yes, there are a lot of gun owning liberals. The Democratic Party forgets as well and it has cost their party a lot.
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Old 10-28-2012, 09:32   #52
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frizz has it right. A pro gun group made up of liberals is a good thing because they are the ones who can best share their message with other liberals. We've seen how politically unpopular it has become to oppose gun rights in America thanks in part by pressure from the NRA. If democrats are also getting pressure from people on the same side of their aisle, then that's good for gun rights regardless of the status of obamacare or whatever.

To say this is like Jewish people voting for the national socialists party is short-sighted at best.
It takes time to change attitudes, so I salute any pro-gun group regardless of who they vote for this November.

Wouldn't it be nice someday in the future if we didn't even have to argue gun-control in any political debate simply because guns become so popular with people from all persuasions?
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Old 10-28-2012, 09:33   #53
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frizz has it right. A pro gun group made up of liberals is a good thing because they are the ones who can best share their message with other liberals. We've seen how politically unpopular it has become to oppose gun rights in America thanks in part by pressure from the NRA. If democrats are also getting pressure from people on the same side of their aisle, then that's good for gun rights regardless of the status of obamacare or whatever.

To say this is like Jewish people voting for the national socialists party is short-sighted at best.
It takes time to change attitudes, so I salute any pro-gun group regardless of who they vote for this November.

Wouldn't it be nice someday in the future if we didn't even have to argue gun-control in any political debate simply because guns become so popular with people from all persuasions?
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Old 10-28-2012, 09:52   #54
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What you and ilgunguygt don't understand is that there are more issues than just firearms.
Wow, you are so smart that you are able to read my mind? I vote conservative because of those issues too. What yopu dont realize is that you cant tell everything about someone from a post on the internet.

Small govt, fiscal conservative, supports MJ legalixation, who could care less about gay marriage, religion, or any of that crap. Its not a govts job to legislate morals. I will not vote for an anti-gun pol though, never. No matter what his stance on other issues.
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:17   #55
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Any kind of ban is bad. "Reasonable limits" is code for inch by inch ban. We, trying to be reasonable in the interest of compromise, give in a little. Do they give in ANY? Not one bit. It's not like we give in on "cop killer" bullets and they give in on silencers. No.

Sorry, liberals stand for gun bans end of discussion. There may be a few gun owning liberals, more than a few, but it's okay because they are enlightened.

I look at this as spying moles. So they say " hey look at me I'm a liberal and I own a gun or two. But I own a good kind of gun, not the evil "assault weapons" or other kind of bad guns. As a gun owner, I agree with reasonable limits. Heck I'm an nra life member and they agree with me."
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:32   #56
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Any kind of ban is bad. "Reasonable limits" is code for inch by inch ban. We, trying to be reasonable in the interest of compromise, give in a little. Do they give in ANY? Not one bit. It's not like we give in on "cop killer" bullets and they give in on silencers. No.

Sorry, liberals stand for gun bans end of discussion. There may be a few gun owning liberals, more than a few, but it's okay because they are enlightened.

I look at this as spying moles. So they say " hey look at me I'm a liberal and I own a gun or two. But I own a good kind of gun, not the evil "assault weapons" or other kind of bad guns. As a gun owner, I agree with reasonable limits. Heck I'm an nra life member and they agree with me."
I know dirty hippies who loved their AK rifles. They support gay marriage, legalizing pot, and Obamacare. It doesn't make much sense to me but I'd rather have liberals who value their firearms than those who don't and support gun control.
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Old 10-28-2012, 12:02   #57
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I vote conservative because of those issues too.

I will not vote for an anti-gun pol though, never. No matter what his stance on other issues.
Contradictory statements contradict.

Other issues matter, unless they don't?



I have never in my life seen a perfect candidate. I have never seen a candidate that I agree with down the line.

Yes, guns are a HUGE issue for me, and I have voted on that single issue. Last Gubernatorial election in IL, I voted for the R candidate based solely on this issue.

But in general, what people SHOULD look at is (for example):

I have these 5 issues I care about
This candidate agrees with me on 3, disagrees on 2
This other guy agrees with me on 2, disagrees on 3

Now, unless you're a single-issue voter, which candidate would you chose?
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Old 10-28-2012, 12:04   #58
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Wow, you are so smart that you are able to read my mind? I vote conservative because of those issues too. What yopu dont realize is that you cant tell everything about someone from a post on the internet.

Small govt, fiscal conservative, supports MJ legalixation, who could care less about gay marriage, religion, or any of that crap. Its not a govts job to legislate morals. I will not vote for an anti-gun pol though, never. No matter what his stance on other issues.
I can read your posts and tell that you dismiss someone who is pro-gun but weighs that with the other issues and decides that the overall stance of a candidate outweighs the candidate's anti-gun stance.

If you have ever supported a pol who was pro-gun but anti-MJ legalization, would it be reasonable for someone to say that your vote didn't make sense because you voted for a pol who didn't share you view on MJ?
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Has anyone here actually read the About Us portion of the website? The part that states "What makes us distinct from most other gun organizations is that we believe that reasonable gun restrictions are a good thing." http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/about-us/who/ So how is this a pro gun group? It looks like more libtard misdirection to me.
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Old 10-28-2012, 12:16   #60
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The biggest erosion of individual rights in this country since WW2 happened under Republucans. Both parties are terrible.
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Haha. Yeah I'm going with that too....both/all parties are terrible.

There is no good choice, they're all idiots. All we get to choose from is dumb or dumber.

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Sorry, I just can't wrap my head around a hard core pro gun liberal. It just doesn't compute for me. I guess it is possible, but it exceeds my ram to comprehend such.
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Has anyone here actually read the About Us portion of the website? The part that states "What makes us distinct from most other gun organizations is that we believe that reasonable gun restrictions are a good thing." http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/about-us/who/ So how is this a pro gun group? It looks like more libtard misdirection to me.
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Once again. HOW IS THIS A PRO GUN GROUP?
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Old 10-28-2012, 12:22   #64
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Has anyone here actually read the About Us portion of the website? The part that states "What makes us distinct from most other gun organizations is that we believe that reasonable gun restrictions are a good thing." http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/about-us/who/ So how is this a pro gun group? It looks like more libtard misdirection to me.
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It isn't a pro-gun group. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows "liberal" and gun rights are 180 degrees out from each other.
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I can read your posts and tell that you dismiss someone who is pro-gun but weighs that with the other issues and decides that the overall stance of a candidate outweighs the candidate's anti-gun stance.

If you have ever supported a pol who was pro-gun but anti-MJ legalization, would it be reasonable for someone to say that your vote didn't make sense because you voted for a pol who didn't share you view on MJ?

Only a troll would latch onto that to say what you just did.

MJ legalization isnt a factor for me. I put that simply so that you could understand that I am not simply a stick to one side type person. I could care less about it though. Same as gay marriage. I dont smoke pot and I dont have gay sex. I do own guns. That one is a no go for me. I could care less how a candidate feels about gay marriage, mj laws, or any of that crap. I do care how they feel about gun laws.

Any gun owner that will vote for someone who says "I want a new AWB" or a party that has an AWB in their platform is voting against themselves.
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Old 10-28-2012, 12:35   #67
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Can one person show me some CREDIBLE evidence that leads you to believe that "they" are trying to take our guns away.

Legit evidence spoken by a legit person of power in this country.

I've heard nothing that really makes me think I could lose my rights

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Sure.

Gun Control Act of 1968. Passed by Johnson with a Democrat Congress. Massive new gun control measures.

Omnibus Crime Bill of 1994. Passed under Clinton with a Democrat Congress. Put into place a Brady waiting period and background check. Put in place a ban on firearms with certain features. Banned ownership of new magazines with higher than 10 round capacity.

We were saved from that being a forever restriction by Republicans and the NRA putting in place a 10 year expiration/renewal into the law.

Every year Democrats introduce legislation that would ban or severely restrict ownership. They can't get passed, for now, but they are still introduced.

None of this is new, or even remotely hard to find. Either you are willfully ignoring history, or you are full of BS.

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Any kind of ban is bad. "Reasonable limits" is code for inch by inch ban. We, trying to be reasonable in the interest of compromise, give in a little. Do they give in ANY? Not one bit. It's not like we give in on "cop killer" bullets and they give in on silencers. No.

Sorry, liberals stand for gun bans end of discussion. There may be a few gun owning liberals, more than a few, but it's okay because they are enlightened.

I look at this as spying moles. So they say " hey look at me I'm a liberal and I own a gun or two. But I own a good kind of gun, not the evil "assault weapons" or other kind of bad guns. As a gun owner, I agree with reasonable limits. Heck I'm an nra life member and they agree with me."
Your assertions do not make sense. Someone who is a conservative does not necessarily support every single conservative view. The same goes for liberals.

There are pro-choice conservatives, and I have a friend who is quite liberal, but she is pro-life even in cases of rape and incest; she isn't the only one.

"Sorry, liberals stand for gun bans end of discussion." This statement is just as asinine as "Sorry, conservatives stand for abortion bans end of discussion."

In your last paragraph, you make a wholly unsupported assertion that pro-gun liberals only support a "good kind of gun" and oppose bad guns such as AR-15s/assault weapons.

Your post offers nothing but emotional assertions without factual support.
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My struggle with AWB issues.

Here's the self battle in my brain:
There are WAY more stupid people than there are like us.
I love AR and AK's as much as the next guy but they really don't serve a civilian purpose, they are built to mow people down in battle and have fun with on the weekends
Those guns in the hands of people in line one are the problem, we know who they are.
I guess if I could keep all my handguns and have to give up my AR, I'd be ok with it.

Vs.

I'm an American damnit and can/should be able to own any gun I want.

I lean towards choice number two but there seems to be way more stupid crazy people out there than before getting their hands on these types of guns.


Should we be able to go out and buy a RPG or grenade launcher too?

Where do you draw the line?


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My struggle with AWB issues.

Here's the self battle in my brain:
There are WAY more stupid people than there are like us.
I love AR and AK's as much as the next guy but they really don't serve a civilian purpose, they are built to mow people down in battle and have fun with on the weekends
Those guns in the hands of people in line one are the problem, we know who they are.
I guess if I could keep all my handguns and have to give up my AR, I'd be ok with it.

Vs.

I'm an American damnit and can/should be able to own any gun I want.

I lean towards choice number two but there seems to be way more stupid crazy people out there than before getting their hands on these types of guns.


Should we be able to go out and buy a RPG or grenade launcher too?

Where do you draw the line?


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Well, at least you are now being honest.

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Your assertions do not make sense. Someone who is a conservative does not necessarily support every single conservative view. The same goes for liberals.

There are pro-choice conservatives, and I have a friend who is quite liberal, but she is pro-life even in cases of rape and incest; she isn't the only one.

"Sorry, liberals stand for gun bans end of discussion." This statement is just as asinine as "Sorry, conservatives stand for abortion bans end of discussion."

In your last paragraph, you make a wholly unsupported assertion that pro-gun liberals only support a "good kind of gun" and oppose bad guns such as AR-15s/assault weapons.

Your post offers nothing but emotional assertions without factual support.
You are absolutely correct, thats why I posted above what I did about my stance on gay marriage and MJ laws. However, I do not consider those to be of importance in my voting choices.

Now, if I smoked pot, I would. If I was gay and wanted to be married I would. I probably wouldnt be conservative either, if I wanted those things.

I think the majority of people who are 'liberal gun owners' are the type to say they support gun control. I live in IL where there are tons of union guys that vote exactly how their union tells them to, and they all say the same thing. They dont care if ARs are banned or hi-cap mags, as long as their hunting guns arent banned.
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Sure.

Gun Control Act of 1968. Passed by Johnson with a Democrat Congress. Massive new gun control measures.

Omnibus Crime Bill of 1994. Passed under Clinton with a Democrat Congress. But into place a Brady waiting period and background check. Put in place a ban on firearms with certain features. Banned ownership of new magazines with higher than 10 round capacity.

We were saved from that being a forever restriction by Republicans and the NRA putting in place a 10 year expiration/renewal into the law.

Every year Democrats introduce legislation that would ban or severely restrict ownership. They can't get passed, for now, but they are still introduced.

None of this is new, or even remotely hard to find. Either you are willfully ignoring history, or you are full of BS.
Well the most recent one I've found was DC vs Heller in 2008 where the supreme court upheld the second amendment in a landmark case.

Read up.

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My struggle with AWB issues.

Here's the self battle in my brain:
There are WAY more stupid people than there are like us.
I love AR and AK's as much as the next guy but they really don't serve a civilian purpose, they are built to mow people down in battle and have fun with on the weekends
Those guns in the hands of people in line one are the problem, we know who they are.
I guess if I could keep all my handguns and have to give up my AR, I'd be ok with it.

Vs.

I'm an American damnit and can/should be able to own any gun I want.

I lean towards choice number two but there seems to be way more stupid crazy people out there than before getting their hands on these types of guns.


Should we be able to go out and buy a RPG or grenade launcher too?

Where do you draw the line?


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Gee why doesnt that surprise me. You can use them in your Audi race car that no one can keep up with, right?
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My struggle with AWB issues.

Here's the self battle in my brain:
There are WAY more stupid people than there are like us.
I love AR and AK's as much as the next guy but they really don't serve a civilian purpose, they are built to mow people down in battle and have fun with on the weekends
Those guns in the hands of people in line one are the problem, we know who they are.
I guess if I could keep all my handguns and have to give up my AR, I'd be ok with it.

Vs.

I'm an American damnit and can/should be able to own any gun I want.

I lean towards choice number two but there seems to be way more stupid crazy people out there than before getting their hands on these types of guns.


Should we be able to go out and buy a RPG or grenade launcher too?

Where do you draw the line?


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You might want to check out the liberal gun group. I think they may be to your liking. They think like you.
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Gee why doesnt that surprise me. You can use them in your Audi race car that no one can keep up with, right?
Haha. The Audi thing is legit. Those cars are insane. Go drive one!!

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