[Chris Brines]

Originally Posted by ShakyDave

My suggestion is to pick out some liberal guy or gal and invite them to go shoot. You might get a surprise because some of us shoot real good. The target audience, though, is the ones who have never fired a gun before. I've never met man or woman who didn't have a barrel of fun at the range and come away with an adjusted attitude. Education on guns is the key.

I did that yesterday. Brought two people (married couple, confirmed Obama supporters, the guy was actually born here in Houston but spent his life in Mexico City) from Mexico City who had never even held a gun in their hands to an outdoor range FULL of people in Houston. We all shot my Glock 26, my Ruger GP100, and my AR15. The guy had a blast, literally. His wife was terrified lol....I kinda forgot to explain to her how to aim properly and she put a bullet in the roof of the target stand (or whatever you call that thing). I had told her how to aim the GP100 and I figured it would just transfer over to my Glock but I guess not. RO was pissed lol, but he was cool about it. Judging by the holes she was nowhere near the first to do that. But she didn't like it so much. She said the sound of the gunshots scared her and she's not going back. I said ok well at least now if the Zombie Apocolypse comes and you have a Glock sitting there waiting to pick off zombies with you'll know what to do with it haha. Like on Walking Dead ya know...

Nahh but seriously, I've always agreed with liberal views, I just always said they were unrealistic. Meaning unachievable. For example, well let's face it, the Brady Campaign are liberals. They want to decrease gun violence (I agree), but their suggestion for how to do that I strongly disagree with. I also disagree with the notion that we need to keep forking over billions in entitlements to people who refuse to lift a finger. I am all for drug testing of welfare recipients. I am all for welfare, it is there for a reason. But abuse of it can really end up screwing everyone in the end. I am pro life, and do not think gay marriage is "right" but really don't think it's "wrong" either. I don't take a stance on it but I don't think a religion should be pressured into accepting a view that goes against their principles from thousands of years. I have no problem with the state recognizing gay marriage.

Really, like I said, I get along with liberals as long as "issues" are not discussed. I just see some of the most radical of liberal ideologies (or maybe progressive? I'm guessing Progressives are the statists, like Rahm Emanuel, Micheal Bloomberg, and Diane Frankenstein) and actions being given credibility, being implemented, and opposition of them being criticized.

For example....how do you feel about the Massachusetts judge a few months back who ordered a tax payer funded sex change for a man serving a life sentence for 1st degree murder? If it were up to me 1st degree murder would come with a death sentence. Found guilty, sentenced to death. Allow ONE appeal and then hang them right outside the courthouse. THAT is how you discourage crime.

[ShakyDave]

I've never equated pro-gun and anti-gun with Republicans and Democrats because, believe me, I know plenty of cherry-red Republicans who freak out over guns. I've literally seen Republican men refuse to stay in a room with a pellet rifle propped in a corner. And for Christ's sake, BRADY AND HIS WIFE ARE REPUBLICANS! They didn't switch parties when Jim caught the .22 in the head. They just launched on a campaign to suck up all the guns in America. I seriously doubt the current administration is going to start restricting guns in any way because 1) the public won't stand for it, 2) they know as soon as it becomes more than a suspicion, gun sales shoot through the roof, and 3) every realistic politician knows that the subject is toxic. Just ask Al Gore, who lost the presidency over his often articulated intention to expand the assault weapons ban.

[N4LP]

Originally Posted by Fox

You vote for a pro-gun Democrat, that pro-gun Democrat is going to support anti-gun Democrat leadership. They already put Sotomayor and Kagan on the supreme court. If they get reelected, they will put more liberal activist judges on the SCOTUS and we lose the 2nd Amendment.

And we know a liberal judge would never stop a ban on guns just like we know a conservative judge would never allow Obamacare. No thought required...we just know.

[Clutch Cargo]

There ARE liberals that believe in the Constitution.

[fnfalman]

All I know is that supposedly "pro-gun" Republican Presidents have banned more guns than the supposedly "anti-gun" Democrat Presidents.

Go figure.

[RicoGordo]

Originally Posted by ShakyDave

My suggestion is to pick out some liberal guy or gal and invite them to go shoot. You might get a surprise because some of us shoot real good. The target audience, though, is the ones who have never fired a gun before. I've never met man or woman who didn't have a barrel of fun at the range and come away with an adjusted attitude. Education on guns is the key.

Doing this makes guns familiar and the fear of the unknown is a huge factor in the fear. Even if they are just popping cans with a .22, they can have fun.

Even if you don't fully "convert" an anti, you usually at least reduce their level of opposition. Turning an anti into a pro is the best, but if an anti merely reduces his/her "fervor" for gun control, that is less push for grabbers.

That is better than nothing. I read article on CNN that mention the general change in attitude of the public toward firearm rights. More and more people who do not want to own guns are supporting the right to own them.

[RicoGordo]

Originally Posted by Fox

There is nothing peaceful about a movement that supported communist forces in Vietnam and Latin America.

This is not accutate. The extreme stinky hippies were the fringe. Most of the "doves" who wanted to end US involvement in Vietnam did not support the communists. They just didn't see it as worth the sacrifice more of our men.

[RicoGordo]

Originally Posted by Chris Brines

I did that yesterday. Brought two people (married couple, confirmed Obama supporters, the guy was actually born here in Houston but spent his life in Mexico City) from Mexico City who had never even held a gun in their hands to an outdoor range FULL of people in Houston. We all shot my Glock 26, my Ruger GP100, and my AR15. The guy had a blast, literally.

You just changed another attitude! Weakened support for gun control at least, and maybe you won someone who will push for gun rights.

Our job is to change minds.

[kat1950]

Originally Posted by Clutch Cargo

There ARE liberals that believe in the Constitution.

Not Any More

[frank4570]

The repubs should just say that they don't want the votes of anybody who is pro choice, or pro pot, or non christian, just get it over with. And hispanics, or blacks, don't want them either.

Oh, and goths.

[HollowHead]

Originally Posted by RicoGordo

This is not accutate. The extreme stinky hippies were the fringe. Most of the "doves" who wanted to end US involvement in Vietnam did not support the communists. They just didn't see it as worth the sacrifice more of our men.

This. True patriots wanted to see our boys home. HH