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Old 04-24-2013, 01:03   #1
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Glock 37 . 45 G.A.P.

Ok GT, big dilemma. If I could choose any handgun it would be a Glock 99.9% of the time. Sure, I love shotguns, rifles, and my Smith revolvers, but for my main weapon I choose Glock for good reasons. Some time ago I decided I wanted a .45 caliber pistol. I was talked into purchasing a Glock 37. Why? Price. Compared to the Glock 21 it seemed like a steal ($450 vs. $600). Basically a Glock 17 chambered in .45... .45.G.A.P. I'll allow a moments pause for you to stop laughing.

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Anyways, I really do like this gun, but the ammo is ridiculous, and so hard to find. My main supplier (Georgia Arms) has stopped reloading it. When I do find it, it's always HD ammo and its $30-40 per box of 20 Speer Gold Dots. Georgia Arms would ship me a bag of 50 reload for $17-18 a bag. Don't get me wrong... I swear by Gold Dots. Both Glocks, and both revolvers are all loaded with Gold Dots as I speak, but does this have any resale value? What if the cartridge does go out of production? Will it be a collectible some day? With what I paid for the gun, and the springs I bought from Brownell's to replace... Should I just bite the bullet, and keep this gun... Or run far far away from it? I can put all 10 round of a mag where they need to be so it serves its purpose, but my fear is having a $450-500 paper weight in the near future.

What's a Glock fan to do?!

I don't want any 1911 folk telling me I told you so. As a Glock man (or woman) what would you do with this gun?!

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Old 04-24-2013, 01:16   #2
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I doubt that the ammunition will go out of production anytime soon. The 38 Super and 10mm have survived for longer as niche calibers. Have you considered reloading? Even if you ultimately decide to get rid of your 37 reloading could benefit you with other calibers.
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Old 04-24-2013, 01:30   #3
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I doubt that the ammunition will go out of production anytime soon. The 38 Super and 10mm have survived for longer as niche calibers. Have you considered reloading? Even if you ultimately decide to get rid of your 37 reloading could benefit you with other calibers.
I have, and I know it would probably save money in the long run, but I don't have room for the equipment and the patience to do it. I'd rather just go spend the few extra dollars and buy a box of ammo. All of the space I my garage/ shop is for tools/ gun cleaning and "building things" when my wife is being a pain. I wouldn't even know where to begin. Also, is the equipment expensive?


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..... Basically a Glock 17 chambered in .45... .45.G.A.P. I'll allow a moments pause for you to stop laughing.
???

<<< Has owned a G37 for about 9 years now. Great design.
Collectable? Doubtful. Don't expect that to happen.

Ammunition has been tough to find for all calibers but before it dried up, I bought 200 rounds 45 GAP Sellier & Bellot 230gr. FMJ for $112.92 delivered last January. I would expect this pricing level to return once the ammunition supply returns to normal.

When I purchased in 2004, nay-sayers here said GAP would be extinct within 3 years.
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Old 04-24-2013, 04:30   #5
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Range ammo at $0.60/round

http://www.luckygunner.com/45-gap-18...wman-50-rounds

Which is on par or slightly cheaper than .45ACP available online

http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/45acp/
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Old 04-24-2013, 05:06   #6
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I doubt that the ammunition will go out of production anytime soon. The 38 Super and 10mm have survived for longer as niche calibers. Have you considered reloading? Even if you ultimately decide to get rid of your 37 reloading could benefit you with other calibers.
Yeah, but 10mm and 38 super are both much, much more popular than GAP. They both have always had multiple companies supporting it.
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Yeah, but 10mm and 38 super are both much, much more popular than GAP. They both have always had multiple companies supporting it.
And they both have very particular niches that they do extremely well(and better than other rounds). USPSA/IPSC shooters keep a steady demand for the Super and the 10 has a strong following due to the power it allows in a normal size auto. The GAP doesn't offer anything over similar handgun cartridges.
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Old 04-24-2013, 07:48   #8
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I don't see .45 G.A.P. surviving, and I say that without any happiness. I rather like the cartridge. Further, one of my favorite cartridges - .357 Sig - always dances on the edge of obscurity, so I sympathize.

A cartridge you can't regularly practice with - affordably - I do not believe to be worth it in the long run.

If you like .45 and Glock but like the smaller frame of the G37, try the G21SF or G21 Gen 4 in .45 ACP.
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:00   #9
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OK...since you asked...

The chances of a Glock chambered in the .45 GAP round becoming any type of "collectible" in our lifetime are about zip so...given that opinion and with all the current info...I'd move the piece if I had the opportunity.


IMO the GAP was the answer to a problem that never really existed and apparently...the market has pretty much thought the same.

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Old 04-24-2013, 08:13   #10
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I bought a G37 and at my LGS thats almost all they have on the shelves. .45GAP all day long.
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<<< Has owned a G37 for about 9 years now. Great design.
Collectable? Doubtful. Don't expect that to happen.

Ammunition has been tough to find for all calibers but before it dried up, I bought 200 rounds 45 GAP Sellier & Bellot 230gr. FMJ for $112.92 delivered last January. I would expect this pricing level to return once the ammunition supply returns to normal.

When I purchased in 2004, nay-sayers here said GAP would be extinct within 3 years.
You do realize $112.92 for 200 rounds is $28.23 per box of 50?! That's like $0.56 a round. That's terrible. I haven't bought a single round since all this BS started, and I still bought my target ammo for much cheaper than that. I think I was paying roughly $88 for 200 rounds. Reloads, but hey they work.

I stated in my post that I was a fan of the gun. It's a sweet shooter. However, these days the round is pretty much like a unicorn. Some people says its around, but I haven't seen it. If I didn't have a small 20 round box of defense ammo it would be useless. The most in trade I've been offered for the gun is $200... for a Glock?! Insane. Had I known this I would have stuck with the Glock 21 that I went in for.


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Old 04-24-2013, 09:50   #12
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I bought my G37 Gen4 for less than $400 back in 2011, and only because I didn't have one. There was a perfectly good G31 Gen4 sitting right next to it, but I didn't have any dies to load that particular caliber.

The .45GAP and .45ACP can use the same Dillon dies (I'm doing that right now) and the same projectiles, for the most part. I like 185 gr. in the GAP platform, and carry it with Speer Gold Dot 200 gr.

The best thing about loading this caliber is that the brass is very easy to recover. Nothing else on the range looks like it, much like .357SIG or 10mm, both of which are my favorite calibers to load and shoot. Originally, I got into reloading because of the (then) skyrocketing prices of .45ACP. I wouldn't even consider buying one box of anything commercial at this time. With the exception of .38/.357 I load all of my handgun calibers in my garage for practice, including .45GAP.

The only time I've bought factory ammo to practice with for most calibers is because I needed brass. For carry, it's strictly factory ammo.
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Old 04-24-2013, 09:56   #13
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Reloading for .45GAP

I don't know about the survival chances for the .45GAP, but I can tell you one thing for certain: even if you get set up for reloading, don't count on being able to obtain BULLETS, for any handgun caliber. Years ago, I set myself up to reload for almost all the most popular pistol and revolver calibers. I have all the dies, lots of powder, primers, and brass out the wazoo. The rub is, I can't find bullet one for any of my calibers. I've looked high and low for .45ACP, .40S&W, .357SIG, 9mm, etc., and can't find bullets for reloading, period.

Good luck with the GAP. (My favorite has pretty much always been .45ACP; .357SIG comes in second).

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Collectible? I doubt it.

No ammo? I doubt that even more. Various LEOs using the round, and there's always reloading.

I'll have all the 45GAP I can shoot in a lifetime if I can get small pistol primers, Bullseye/Unique/PowerPistol, and 45 caliber projectiles. If I can't get those, then many other calibers are in danger as well.

Reloading doesn't take up that much space or money. You could load 45GAP with a Lee 45ACP loader (<$30). About the size of a VHS cassette. Want faster production? Spend more money. But it doesn't take a lot of space.

Of course, now is a terrible time to find components.
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I don't know about the survival chances for the .45GAP, but I can tell you one thing for certain: even if you get set up for reloading, don't count on being able to obtain BULLETS, for any handgun caliber. Years ago, I set myself up to reload for almost all the most popular pistol and revolver calibers. I have all the dies, lots of powder, primers, and brass out the wazoo. The rub is, I can't find bullet one for any of my calibers. I've looked high and low for .45ACP, .40S&W, .357SIG, 9mm, etc., and can't find bullets for reloading, period.

Good luck with the GAP. (My favorite has pretty much always been .45ACP; .357SIG comes in second).

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You do realize $112.92 for 200 rounds is $28.23 per box of 50?! That's like $0.56 a round. That's terrible. I haven't bought a single round since all this BS started, and I still bought my target ammo for much cheaper than that. I think I was paying roughly $88 for 200 rounds. Reloads, but hey they work.

I stated in my post that I was a fan of the gun. It's a sweet shooter. However, these days the round is pretty much like a unicorn. Some people says its around, but I haven't seen it. If I didn't have a small 20 round box of defense ammo it would be useless. The most in trade I've been offered for the gun is $200... for a Glock?! Insane. Had I known this I would have stuck with the Glock 21 that I went in for.


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You do realize the unprecedented ,history making ammo and firearm buying frenzy that has been going on since about Dec 2012 . Ammo of all kinds is still hard to find and being sold at gouging prices.

I really think you should just sell the pistol for a loss and buy a Glock 21 which is what you wanted in the first place and buy some pricey hard to find 45 ACP.
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GAP ammo is just as tough to get now as all other ammo...but up to about a month or so ago it was still available on-line when everything else was dried up.

I stocked up on several boxes of SD ammo (Speer Gold Dot 200gr) then bought a bunch of once fired .45GAP cases, 185gr Berry's bullets RNHB, some powder and a set of .45ACP dies (you can reload GAP with 45 ACP dies) for my reloading press and haven't looked back. Once fired cases are available at LEOBRASS (dot) COM. Keep an eye on TARGETSPORTSUSA (dot) COM. They sell GAP ammo at the same price as 45ACP. They're out of stock right now, but keep checking back.

I've got a Glock 38 that is my EDC, my Glock 19 has been in the safe ever since I bought it. I just recently picked up a Glock 39 for "summer wear".

Personally I don't see the 45 GAP going anywhere any sooner than the 10mm or 38 Super. The New York State Police, Pennsylvania State Police, South Carolina Highway Patrol, Georgia State Patrol and Florida Highway Patrol all issue the GAP to their officers. (Yeah I know...they all got sweetheart deals, free guns, lifetime ammo, trips to the Caribbean, yadda, yadda)

The GAP is my favorite round and the 38 is my favorite pistol. With all the states going crazy....at least in the northeast, with mag capacity limitations I'm good to go without any problems. I just have to carry the 39 when I visit the United Soviet Socialist Republic of New York.
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You do realize the unprecedented ,history making ammo and firearm buying frenzy that has been going on since about Dec 2012 . Ammo of all kinds is still hard to find and being sold at gouging prices.

I really think you should just sell the pistol for a loss and buy a Glock 21 which is what you wanted in the first place and buy some pricey hard to find 45 ACP.
Yeah, I do realize what's been going on the last few months. I'm not an idiot though. I don't buy things at 3x the price or higher. I'll wait until the prices come back down. I haven't bought, but 2 boxes of ammo since all the BS started. Two boxes of .38 spl at normal price. I won't pay $30 for a $10 box of ammo. Not my cup of tea.


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Yeah, I do realize what's been going on the last few months. I'm not an idiot though. I don't buy things at 3x the price or higher. I'll wait until the prices come back down. I haven't bought, but 2 boxes of ammo since all the BS started. Two boxes of .38 spl at normal price. I won't pay $30 for a $10 box of ammo. Not my cup of tea.


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I may be wrong but I think we're going to see ammo prices stay high for a long time.
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I may be wrong but I think we're going to see ammo prices stay high for a long time.
I highly doubt that. This isn't the first time this has happened. It'll come back. Guns already have, now just waiting on the ammo to catch up. If people would quit camping out at gun shops and Wal-Mart to buy up all the ammo for re-selling we wouldn't be having this problem. We're doing it to ourselves. This should have been over a long time ago.


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The way I look at it is this.

The GAP may come or go. I couldn't care less. I shoot the round in a 37 & a 39 but I have enough brass, primers, and lead to keep me covered for many years if not the rest of my life. Yes, I cast for my GAPs (and all my other pistols & rifles too).

I'm not trying brag, just show you a mind set that may help you.

This is my third shortage, so I learned quite a while back the for me, the best way to be set up is to be able to make what I need.

Now reloading isn't for everyone, and casting is the same way, so this may not be the way out of this problem for you.

For me, no one can cut off or even reduce my ammo supply. And that makes me happy.

A parting thought. Prices and availability are bad now. What would happen if Obama signed an executive order adding a 5000% tax on all things gun related?




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Yeah, but 10mm and 38 super are both much, much more popular than GAP. They both have always had multiple companies supporting it.
This^^^^ Multiple companies supporting it in guns and ammo. I believe that Glock is the ONLY company making a .45 GAP gun anymore. And ammo brands and rounds are few and far between.
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You do realize $112.92 for 200 rounds is $28.23 per box of 50?! That's like $0.56 a round. That's terrible. I haven't bought a single round since all this BS started, and I still bought my target ammo for much cheaper than that. I think I was paying roughly $88 for 200 rounds. Reloads, but hey they work.

I stated in my post that I was a fan of the gun. It's a sweet shooter. However, these days the round is pretty much like a unicorn. Some people says its around, but I haven't seen it. If I didn't have a small 20 round box of defense ammo it would be useless. The most in trade I've been offered for the gun is $200... for a Glock?! Insane. Had I known this I would have stuck with the Glock 21 that I went in for.


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I've bought as cheap as half that price in the past but I did show the current 45ACP prices (gunbot link) and available new ammunition prices there were even more expensive.
The latest ammo rush has run up prices on everybody.
I've also provided a link to current stocks that can be delivered to your door.

As to the rest, sounds like buyers remorse. Perhaps you should take the financial hit and get what you apparently really want. But you won't make up any trade in price differences on ammo costs and you won't find 45ACP any easier than 45GAP in the near term. Perhaps Georgia Arms will resume production after the Great Ammo Rush of 2013 is over (brought on by the threat of impending Federal legislation). Maybe prices will even retreat a little. I haven't found a reasonable brick of 22LR since the panic started.

The reason I didn't buy the Glock 21 was because of the 2x4 grip - the real reason GAP exists. Came close to buying the G21. Even bought mags in preparation but have long since sold them off.


I do wish you well with your choices and hope things work out.
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... And ammo brands and rounds are few and far between.
Yeah . . . like Winchester, Speer, Sellier & Bellot, Federal, ....

Oh wait. They all manufacture GAP
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Yeah . . . like Winchester, Speer, Sellier & Bellot, Federal, ....

Oh wait. They all manufacture GAP
Yes they do. And they make very few choices. As for the ...., feel free to add more to your list. Face it. It's a "going nowhere round".
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