Entitlement ......? - Page 11

skippz · 10-16-2012, 22:24

Our men & women in the military are entitled whether you want to call it that or not, it's just the right thing to do... People who have worked and payed taxes all their lives are entitled... People who lay at home collecting a disability check at age 25 because they broke their thumb back in '94 aren't entitled to squat... And it's ridiculous that tax money is going to buy cell phones. Soon tax dollars will be funding the Internet as well for the lady in the video... This way she can spend hours on Facebook and learn better meth recipes!

certifiedfunds · 10-16-2012, 22:45

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Originally Posted by skippz

People who have worked and payed taxes all their lives are entitled...

How much are they entitled to?

skippz · 10-16-2012, 23:19

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Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

How much are they entitled to?

Thats the golden question my friend... Don't have a set number/percentage to throw at you, but they definitely deserve more than someone who has never worked, yet gets everything they need for free (medical, heat, food, housing, etc.) and even things they don't need (cell phones). I can barely pay my own phone bill... Now I have to cover someone else's?

dherloc · 10-17-2012, 06:05

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Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

How much are they entitled to?

Whatever was in their "entitlement/compensation package" when they signed on the dotted line.

certifiedfunds · 10-17-2012, 06:42

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Originally Posted by skippz

Thats the golden question my friend... Don't have a set number/percentage to throw at you, but they definitely deserve more than someone who has never worked, yet gets everything they need for free (medical, heat, food, housing, etc.) and even things they don't need (cell phones). I can barely pay my own phone bill... Now I have to cover someone else's?

Well, if you can't put a number on it how do you know when they've been paid out?

certifiedfunds · 10-17-2012, 06:43

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Originally Posted by dherloc

Whatever was in their "entitlement/compensation package" when they signed on the dotted line.

Social Security recipients didn't sign on any dotted line.

JohnBT · 10-17-2012, 07:00

"Social Security recipients didn't sign on any dotted line."

But their parents did. I suppose that makes it legal because the baby is obviously underage.

www.socialsecurity.gov/pubs/10023.html

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"When you have a baby, one of the things that should be on your “to do” list is getting a Social Security number for your baby."

m51 · 10-17-2012, 07:08

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Originally Posted by G29Reload

Its not an entitlement if its earned or contributed to.

Handouts are another story.

If you paid into SS, you get, same for medicare.
If you served in the .mil, you get veterans benefits. Period.

Obama phones, food stamps, welfare, EITC, are another story. Cut off completely except for the most dire of circumstances.

This sums it up completely!

certifiedfunds · 10-17-2012, 07:42

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Originally Posted by JohnBT

"Social Security recipients didn't sign on any dotted line."

But their parents did. I suppose that makes it legal because the baby is obviously underage.

www.socialsecurity.gov/pubs/10023.html

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"When you have a baby, one of the things that should be on your “to do” list is getting a Social Security number for your baby."

Well of course. How else are they gonna get paid ? Gotta bring the young folks in!

Do it quickly before they can figure it out!

For a bunch of supposed conservatives, the GT crowd sure does love tax and spend socialism.

certifiedfunds · 10-17-2012, 07:53

I predict that over the next 25 years, urination in cemeteries will be a big problem.

frizz · 10-17-2012, 07:58

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Originally Posted by skippz

Our men & women in the military are entitled whether you want to call it that or not, it's just the right thing to do... People who have worked and payed taxes all their lives are entitled... People who lay at home collecting a disability check at age 25 because they broke their thumb back in '94 aren't entitled to squat... And it's ridiculous that tax money is going to buy cell phones. Soon tax dollars will be funding the Internet as well for the lady in the video... This way she can spend hours on Facebook and learn better meth recipes!

Before you form an opinion on a subject, you should know the facts about it. Your opinion shows that you don't understand SS disability.

Getting SS disability isn't easy. As a matter of fact, depending on the political climate and other factors, pretty much everyone is turned down on the first application. That has to be appealed to an administrative law judge or higher, and that pretty much requires a lawyer.

Even then, there are usually periodic reviews

The notion of someone breaking a thumb and getting SS disability is preposterous. I have a neighbor who was a self-employed house painter. He is in his 40s, and had a brain aneurism.

He cannot use his right arm, and walks with great difficulty. His ability to speak is very limited; his vocabulary is limited to maybe 30 words. There is no way he could get any job.

Despite this, he was denied on his initial application, and had to appeal to get the benefits.

Sveke · 10-17-2012, 07:59

How do we get the good ones out of the hood? Unfortunately a lot of people are products of their environment.

I'm a white guy from suburban CT, pretty good chance I got a better education and opportunity than someone from the Bronx.
The problem is there is no bridge to opportunity for "1st of the monthers". I bet most of them want to work.

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mgs · 10-17-2012, 08:02

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Originally Posted by dango

I yes ME was doing fine without playing GI JOE . I was drafted.
They stole two years of my life and gave it back , College !
I am a success story and carried MY own weight the rest of my life , taxes , etc. .

Had they not taken these years , I would have gotten to THAT plane sooner so speak for yourself.......

That is correct....drafted. Choosing to join is something totally different....your choice. GI Bill is a sales tool....not a need or right.

frizz · 10-17-2012, 08:04

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Originally Posted by DanaT

I can tell you what the end is. She is in the process of renouncing USA citizenship. One would think that is easy, but the USA wants its tax money....

Process? As I understand it, all you need to do is go to a US consulate, meet with a certain official, and renounce.

certifiedfunds · 10-17-2012, 08:08

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Originally Posted by frizz

Process? As I understand it, all you need to do is go to a US consulate, meet with a certain official, and renounce.

Tell it to Eduardo Saverin

frizz · 10-17-2012, 08:15

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Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

Tell it to Eduardo Saverin

OK. What is the process? What problems did he have? And is he typical of renunciation cases?

Sveke · 10-17-2012, 08:18

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Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

Tell it to Eduardo Saverin

Need a better example than Eduardo.

We all know with that type of dough, you can do anything you want literally.

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certifiedfunds · 10-17-2012, 08:18

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Originally Posted by frizz

OK. What is the process? What problems did he have? And is he typical of renunciation cases?

I don't know what the process is but I do know that saverin had congressmen seeking new laws to tax him just to leave. Clearly it wasn't so simple.

DanaT · 10-17-2012, 08:28

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Originally Posted by frizz

Process? As I understand it, all you need to do is go to a US consulate, meet with a certain official, and renounce.

They make it a little more difficult, at least in Switzerland because they know why. You make appointments to get the paperwork. You come back. This isn't filled out right. Etc.

Simple things can be made difficult if someone choses.

I had to have a customs stamp. (something that literally took 10 seconds to do). It took me 4 days. The guy chose to be a pita.

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DanaT · 10-17-2012, 08:34

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Originally Posted by frizz

Process? As I understand it, all you need to do is go to a US consulate, meet with a certain official, and renounce.

Frizz. It also helps if you have a us passport or birthcertificate. Consulates don't like dealing without one. If you remember I said she is a us citizen because her father is. Mother is Swiss and she was born in switzerland. Travels with a Swiss passport. Swiss birth certificate.

Doesn't mean the US govt doesn't want money.

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dherloc · 10-17-2012, 09:07

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Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

Social Security recipients didn't sign on any dotted line.

The statement you replied to was not about Social Security recipients. It was about the military.

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Nevermind...I see how you read it and why you replied the way you did. I read it slightly differently.

certifiedfunds · 10-17-2012, 09:22

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Originally Posted by dherloc

The statement you replied to was not about Social Security recipients. It was about the military.

Edit:

Nevermind...I see how you read it and why you replied the way you did. I read it slightly differently.

Fair enough. We've somehow got them all lumped together.

fwm · 10-17-2012, 12:40

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Originally Posted by RimfireMan

This is a prime example of the hypocrisy that is running rampant among Conservatives. They believe the pablum spoon fed to them without thinking for themselves and then spout it back while denying the truth.

Actually, as a group, conservatives are the most educated, self starters and self thinkers in any country. They don't believe 'the pablum spoon fed to them'. They agree with certain facts because they have researched the truth before believing anything.

You don't find conservatives in mobs blindly following whoever speaks the floweriest or loudest, you find the liberals. 68 Democratic convention, OWS are two that come to mind.

fwm · 10-17-2012, 12:44

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Originally Posted by tous

The truth is, the GI Bill is deferred compensation.

The deal is, you serve in the military for low pay and benefits for some number of years and defer a reasonable wage, we will pay the difference to the survivors between what is reasonable and what you get while serving in the future.

Fixed it for you.

nursetim · 10-17-2012, 13:06

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Originally Posted by frizz

Before you form an opinion on a subject, you should know the facts about it. Your opinion shows that you don't understand SS disability.

Getting SS disability isn't easy. As a matter of fact, depending on the political climate and other factors, pretty much everyone is turned down on the first application. That has to be appealed to an administrative law judge or higher, and that pretty much requires a lawyer.

Even then, there are usually periodic reviews

The notion of someone breaking a thumb and getting SS disability is preposterous. I have a neighbor who was a self-employed house painter. He is in his 40s, and had a brain aneurism.

He cannot use his right arm, and walks with great difficulty. His ability to speak is very limited; his vocabulary is limited to maybe 30 words. There is no way he could get any job.

Despite this, he was denied on his initial application, and had to appeal to get the benefits.

I present this http://www.ssa.gov/disability/profes...ltListings.htm as to what qualifies you for SSI disability. I have yahoos trying to get me to certify them as disabled. The one condition that I would certify most of those yahoos with is not on the list, malingering.

Yes, most get turned down first go round. Then they hire a shyster to spin it for the, most likely, bored out of their gourd admin law judge. The judge is entertained enough or tired enough to approve the case the second go round. How they get compensated for this I still don't understand. Anyhow, the number of shysters advertising for this service has skyrocketed in the past few years.