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Old 10-15-2012, 22:48   #26
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I used to love the .357Sig guns. In fact I had up to 5 of them at one time. Moslty glocks and sigs. I have since replaced them with 9mm and .40 versions. Reason is simple... if I want fast and light a 9mm +p++ out of a G34 give me all the speed and rounds I could ask for. The .40 versions give me a heavy bullet. in the 180 grain. If I want more than that I say go for a .45acp or a 10mm.
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Old 10-16-2012, 19:13   #27
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I used to love the .357Sig guns. In fact I had up to 5 of them at one time. Moslty glocks and sigs. I have since replaced them with 9mm and .40 versions. Reason is simple... if I want fast and light a 9mm +p++ out of a G34 give me all the speed and rounds I could ask for. The .40 versions give me a heavy bullet. in the 180 grain. If I want more than that I say go for a .45acp or a 10mm.
+p++? Is that a typo?
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Old 10-16-2012, 20:08   #28
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I'm just not a fan of the 357 Sig. Just not.

For decades people wanted SOMETHING between 9mm and 45 ACP - give them the 10mm Auto and 40 S&W, but they're not happy. So what's the next GREAT thing? Neck down the 40 S&W so we can have the reduced magazine capacity of the 40 S&W with the smaller bullet of the 9mm - OUTSTANDING! Really? Aren't we kind of re-inventing the wheel? 38 Super Comp seems like a better solution - just because of magazine capacity.

It just seems a bit odd.

Now that said... the 357 Sig is a fine round. Nothing WRONG with it. The thing that makes me "not a fan" is there is a lot of hype about it - "flat shooting", "unbelievable manstopper", etc.

With proper bullet selection there isn't a nickel's worth of difference between 9mm, 357 SIG, 40 S&W, and 45 ACP. Shot placement with any of them will get the job done. Each caliber has advantages and DISADVANTAGES. Choose any caliber you want, but understand your decision has compromises.
This is the correct answer.
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SCmasterblaster, yes that was a typo, I held down the + button too long. Should have read +P+.
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SCmasterblaster, yes that was a typo, I held down the + button too long. Should have read +P+.
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Old 10-21-2012, 10:04   #31
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I am going to make the assumption that you will be using a glock. With that said if you buy a 9mm you can only shoot 9mm. If you buy a 40 or 357sig you can shoot the other with just a barrel swap. You can also shoot 9mm with a conversion barrel and the right mags. I would recommend you buy a 40 with the two extra barrels and some 9mm mags. I only say the 40 because if you want to sell the gun in the future it is a lot easier to sell a 40 than a 357sig.
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I am going to make the assumption that you will be using a glock. With that said if you buy a 9mm you can only shoot 9mm. If you buy a 40 or 357sig you can shoot the other with just a barrel swap. You can also shoot 9mm with a conversion barrel and the right mags. I would recommend you buy a 40 with the two extra barrels and some 9mm mags. I only say the 40 because if you want to sell the gun in the future it is a lot easier to sell a 40 than a 357sig.
My thinking also.

Given what the man said about his 9mm fast and light capabilities coupled with the .40S&W heavy and powerful capabilities I'd go with a G-35 with the various conversion barrels. And there's a whole lot of caliber/ammo options available between those two extremes.

I don't really need any more firearms but this has me thinking ...

... that a G-35 might be a logical future trade or purchase.
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I am going to make the assumption that you will be using a glock. With that said if you buy a 9mm you can only shoot 9mm. If you buy a 40 or 357sig you can shoot the other with just a barrel swap. You can also shoot 9mm with a conversion barrel and the right mags. I would recommend you buy a 40 with the two extra barrels and some 9mm mags. I only say the 40 because if you want to sell the gun in the future it is a lot easier to sell a 40 than a 357sig.
I have a 357sig with a 9mm conversion bbl. I shoot both underwood and georgia arms in both calibers. The GA is "hotter" than federal, speer, etc and underwood is about 150fps faster than georgia arms. Both are priced less than the premium manufacturers like double tap and corbon. I spoke with the owner Kevin and he said that his business plan is delivera premium ammo with higher energy dump, better expansion at less cost than the others.

I shot a 5" group @ 10 yards with federal 125 gr and cut it to 2" with underwood. Great CS also. Loaded to what 357 sig should be. The 9mm gives both inexpensive range ammo AND the ability to have excellent self defence rounds in that caliber. The advice to buy a .40 and get two conversion bbls is excellent. You get three guns in one. If the shtf you will have three different calibers for you to scrounge for.
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I have a 357sig with a 9mm conversion bbl. I shoot both underwood and georgia arms in both calibers. The GA is "hotter" than federal, speer, etc and underwood is about 150fps faster than georgia arms. Both are priced less than the premium manufacturers like double tap and corbon. I spoke with the owner Kevin and he said that his business plan is delivera premium ammo with higher energy dump, better expansion at less cost than the others.

I shot a 5" group @ 10 yards with federal 125 gr and cut it to 2" with underwood. Great CS also. Loaded to what 357 sig should be. The 9mm gives both inexpensive range ammo AND the ability to have excellent self defence rounds in that caliber. The advice to buy a .40 and get two conversion bbls is excellent. You get three guns in one. If the shtf you will have three different calibers for you to scrounge for.
Do you have to change the breech when you shoot 9mm in your .357 Sig Glock?
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No. You would need mags for the caliber you are converting to such as 9mm. If you are converting from 357sig to 9mm you may have to drop a pound or to on the spring.

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No. You would need mags for the caliber you are converting to such as 9mm. If you are converting from 357sig to 9mm you may have to drop a pound or to on the spring.
The recoil spring, correct?
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:19   #37
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[QUOTE=avenues165;19512900]Underwood 9mm +p+ 124gr = 1,298fps
New Underwood 357 sig 125gr = 1,475fps (as stated by Underwood on GT, not tested yet by TNOutdoors9)

The rounds tested by TNOutdoors9 for 357 sig are all loads from the bigger guys that don't make hotter 357sig loads(Federal, Remington, Speer, hornady).

Let's compare apples to apples.

Having said all of that, the 9mm is a fine cartridge and would serve you well.[/QUOTE

TNOutdoors9 test on Uderwood 357 sig 125 gr. jhp ammo-

http://www.underwoodammo.com/357sig1...ntboxof50.aspx
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You guys keep talking price when the diff is $7 per box for carry ammo. So that is not a reason to go 9mm +P+. Yes, std vel practice ammo is cheaper in 9mm, but then you are not practicing w/ something equiv to your carry ammo, if that is a concern. If you handeload, the cost is almost identical between 9mm & 357sig & you have options w/ the 357sig you do not with 9mm. Just a though.
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You guys keep talking price when the diff is $7 per box for carry ammo. So that is not a reason to go 9mm +P+. Yes, std vel practice ammo is cheaper in 9mm, but then you are not practicing w/ something equiv to your carry ammo, if that is a concern. If you handeload, the cost is almost identical between 9mm & 357sig & you have options w/ the 357sig you do not with 9mm. Just a though.
At a gun show in NH, I got a box of 50 Fed 9BPLE for just $25.

This load reaches 1400 FPS out of my Gen3 G17.
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At a gun show in NH, I got a box of 50 Fed 9BPLE for just $25.

This load reaches 1400 FPS out of my Gen3 G17.
You can buy the very same 9BPLE online for $16-$17/box of 50. If this is you're preferred 9mm carry round you can buy 250 rounds for right around $100, shipping included. One of the best deals going for a street proven 9mm round, in my opinion.
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I love 9mm, but I'd rather stake my protection on ammo running in a fairly normal operating range vs loaded to beejezus bunker levels just to get an extra 100fps from an already overtaxed case capacity.
9mm works fine for me, but if I need 124gr going 1300+ I'll just use a cartridge weapon and platform designed around that.
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I have been debating on getting a pistol in 357 Sig, i really like the 9mm and this round is like a 9mm on steroids. But i sit down and watched Tnoutdoors9 tests and wrote down all the results. After going back and looking at them i found that 357 Sig 125 gr had a velocity of about 1,336 fps with about 14.50in of penatration. The Underwood 9mm +P+ 124 gr shot at 1,298 fps with about 13.25in of penatration. So now im thinking that with the high cost of 357 Sig ammo and barely better performance over the 9mm that i would be crazy to buy a handgun in 357 Sig, not to mention the reduced round magazine capacity. But i know to achieve the results of the 9mm test i am pretty much limited to Underwood ammo. (all of the tests on this ammo that i have seen has been great!) So my questions are: I want everybodys opinion on Underwood ammo and why would people buy a gun in 357 Sig when u can get pretty much the same results with cheaper ammo and more magazine capacity with the 9mm?
Are those your Chronograph results or the claimed manufacturer's #'s?.

Food for thought. Ive been reloading a while now, and one thing every handloader notices is that he highest possible velocity is not usually the most accurate. In fact its sometimes crappy. Each caliber handgun is going to have a barrel.twist that is optimized for the ballistics of the caliber. I'm willing to bet that a 357 SIG pushed at 357 SIG velocity is going to be more accurate than a 9mm pushed to velocities that are outside the norm for the caliber. I'm also willing to bet that those same rounds are pushing even stretching what the caliber IA intended to handle. If Underwood loads their ammo that hot they are an acccident waiting to happen. The probability of it happeneing is going to be in the extreme spread. I highly doubt they are hand weighing each loads powder charge....

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My new Gen. 4, G26 had been flawless through 200 rounds. Last week went to the range with:

1. Speer 124gr. Gold Dots +P
2. Underwood 115gr Gold Dots +P+

All 50 Speers ran flawlessly.

2nd round of Underwood's completely looked up my G26. Could not eject the round at all. Wasn't sure if the round in the chamber was live or spent.

So, dropped the mag and counted rounds, and rounds on target, and concluded the chambered round was spent.

Removed the slide, and had one hell of a time removing the barrel. Had to drive the case out from the barrel end with a rod and hammer.

Inspected the barrel, reassembled and fired another 20 Speers, again flawlessly.

So, now have 48 rounds of Underwoods and not sure what to do.

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My new Gen. 4, G26 had been flawless through 200 rounds. Last week went to the range with:

1. Speer 124gr. Gold Dots +P
2. Underwood 115gr Gold Dots +P+

All 50 Speers ran flawlessly.

2nd round of Underwood's completely looked up my G26. Could not eject the round at all. Wasn't sure if the round in the chamber was live or spent.

So, dropped the mag and counted rounds, and rounds on target, and concluded the chambered round was spent.

Removed the slide, and had one hell of a time removing the barrel. Had to drive the case out from the barrel end with a rod and hammer.

Inspected the barrel, reassembled and fired another 20 Speers, again flawlessly.

So, now have 48 rounds of Underwoods and not sure what to do.

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Those casings show signs of excessive pressure, which is pretty obvious based on them being stuck in the barrel as well.

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Same casing.....The case measures .390 just under the rim. Doesn't seem out of the ordinary but the jam certainly was.
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You can buy the very same 9BPLE online for $16-$17/box of 50. If this is you're preferred 9mm carry round you can buy 250 rounds for right around $100, shipping included. One of the best deals going for a street proven 9mm round, in my opinion.
WOW - such a good deal!
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I shot a 5" group @ 10 yards with federal 125 gr and cut it to 2" with underwood. Great CS also. Loaded to what 357 sig should be. The 9mm gives both inexpensive range ammo AND the ability to have excellent self defence rounds in that caliber. The advice to buy a .40 and get two conversion bbls is excellent. You get three guns in one. If the shtf you will have three different calibers for you to scrounge for.
Is that a typo? That would be some terrible ammo coming in at 5" at a mere 30ft.

I went w/ a G32 & 40 & 9mm bbls. The ultimate SHTF combo as you should be able to find some ammo some place.
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I love 9mm, but I'd rather stake my protection on ammo running in a fairly normal operating range vs loaded to beejezus bunker levels just to get an extra 100fps from an already overtaxed case capacity.
9mm works fine for me, but if I need 124gr going 1300+ I'll just use a cartridge weapon and platform designed around that.
^THIS^^
Eventually running a cartridge at levels not really designed for it will result in a catastrophic failure. You want more gun, get more gun, don't try stuffing more powder into a smaller case just to gain 1-2 add'l. round sin the gun.
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Eventually running a cartridge at levels not really designed for it will result in a catastrophic failure. You want more gun, get more gun, don't try stuffing more powder into a smaller case just to gain 1-2 add'l. round sin the gun.
Sooooo true. The case capacity of the 9x19 is puny compared to the .357 magnum that it keeps trying to match in power.
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