Creepy; drive by the site of a Japanese internment camp every day. - Page 8

MAC702 · 10-12-2012, 21:50

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Originally Posted by G29Reload

Yeah, I did, along with the government of Japan never having apologized for Pearl Harbor.

Why do people keep bringing up Japan's actions?

We did this to OUR OWN PEOPLE, not to Japanese.

Smithers · 10-12-2012, 21:51

[QUOTE=frizz;19513037]One of the reasons she is a moron is the fact that she defends the internment of Japanese-Americans in WWII.

A lot of people fear what they don't / can't comprehend.

Some of them post right here about books the haven't read.

Some apologize for America at every turn.

Remember to start a thread about slavery and the Indians so you can continue to self-flagellate.

Annoyedgrunt · 10-12-2012, 22:05

You sure seem to have a thing for Michelle Malkin, there, Smithers.

That's funny, though- I always thought Smithers was gay.

frizz · 10-12-2012, 22:06

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Originally Posted by Smithers

Speak for yourself only.

You neither have the moral clarity nor nor the right to speak for others.

I have clashed with devildog once or twice, but I can't find a problem with what he wrote. What is you objection.

HollowHead · 10-12-2012, 22:19

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Originally Posted by MAC702

Why do people keep bringing up Japan's actions?

We did this to OUR OWN PEOPLE, not to Japanese.

This. HH

frizz · 10-12-2012, 22:33

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Originally Posted by Smithers

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Originally Posted by frizz

One of the reasons she is a moron is the fact that she defends the internment of Japanese-Americans in WWII.

A lot of people fear what they don't / can't comprehend.

Some of them post right here about books the haven't read.

Some apologize for America at every turn.

Remember to start a thread about slavery and the Indians so you can continue to self-flagellate.

You are so wound up by your partisan political views (which seem based on hackneyed catch-phrases and talking points) that you cannot understand the issue, let alone my point.

Some posters here have defended the WWII internment of US natural-born citizens of Japanese decent. This was a terrible thing that the US did to its own people. It was wrong, and we should never do anything like it again.

You think that acknowledging a wrong done by our country is "apologizing for America at every turn"? What kind of foolishness is that? Try this phrase: taking responsibility. Regardless, I'm arguing about a US government polity that US screwed its own people.

As for Malkin's book, her argument that the WWII internment was justified is central to her main argument. I don't need to read her book to know that because it is on the damn cover of it!

One thing you said puzzles me. What exactly is it that I "don't / can't comprehend"?

Any idea?

Averageman · 10-12-2012, 22:34

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Originally Posted by Foxtrotx1

America the not so beautiful.

White Guilt got you down?
You could have been on the Arizona and spent the last hours of your life beating on the hull as the fuel laced water rose.
I'm a big F'ing fan of premptive strikes against folks who decide to do us harm.
As happy as those folks were to crash a plane, noticed any japanese flying jets in to the World Trade Center lately?

frizz · 10-12-2012, 23:09

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Originally Posted by HollowHead

This. HH

Back in the late 80s when the bill for the Japanese-Americans was being debated, a local moron wrote a letter to the editor arguing against the bill because of what the "Japs" did.

I notice that G29Reload has done about the same thing, right after he defended the internment because the camps weren't horrible.

ysr_racer · 10-12-2012, 23:12

My mother hated Japanese people until the day she died.

She never got over Pearl Harbor.

frizz · 10-12-2012, 23:13

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Originally Posted by Averageman

White Guilt got you down?
You could have been on the Arizona and spent the last hours of your life beating on the hull as the fuel laced water rose.
I'm a big F'ing fan of premptive strikes against folks who decide to do us harm.
As happy as those folks were to crash a plane, noticed any japanese flying jets in to the World Trade Center lately?

Looks like we have another one who just can't grasp the point.

BlackPaladin · 10-12-2012, 23:17

Since I was not around to speak firsthand on the subject, I have to go with what I have read AND the information from folks who did live during that era. Based off of the latter, I believe that the camps were a neccissary evil for the times.

Foxtrotx1 · 10-13-2012, 00:55

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Originally Posted by Averageman

White Guilt got you down?
You could have been on the Arizona and spent the last hours of your life beating on the hull as the fuel laced water rose.
I'm a big F'ing fan of premptive strikes against folks who decide to do us harm.
As happy as those folks were to crash a plane, noticed any japanese flying jets in to the World Trade Center lately?

We detained US citizens who were supposed to be protected by our constitution. Not Japanese soldiers.

It's easy to justify when it's not your people though? oh wait, they were your people, they were AMERICANS.

MAC702 · 10-13-2012, 00:59

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Originally Posted by BlackPaladin

Since I was not around to speak firsthand on the subject, I have to go with what I have read AND the information from folks who did live during that era. Based off of the latter, I believe that the camps were a neccissary evil for the times.

Who were they in relation to the issue, and what were their convincing arguments? Perhaps it is something we should all hear.

TACLOAD · 10-13-2012, 09:15

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Originally Posted by bunk22

They were actually, look it up. For example. Is what it is, it was war time, a world war, we did what we thought was right. Sucks but those Japanese Americans were treated better than those the civilians under the Japanese. I'll use Wake Island for example. Just saying.

http://www.foitimes.com/internment/Myths.htm

Somebody mentioned the 442nd, yeah what about blacks who served? Their treatment at the time was worse IMO, way worse and even then honorable men served to fight for their country. Amazing what men will do for their nation even when being wronged by that nation.

FLIPPER 348 · 10-13-2012, 09:19

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People forget that you can't use information you discovered in 1945 to make decisions in 1941.[/QUOTE]

quite true

FLIPPER 348 · 10-13-2012, 09:23

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Originally Posted by MAC702

Why do people keep bringing up Japan's actions?

We did this to OUR OWN PEOPLE, not to Japanese.

Because we did what we did based on Japan's actions.

MAC702 · 10-13-2012, 09:40

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Originally Posted by FLIPPER 348

Because we did what we did based on Japan's actions.

No doubt bragging about our moral superiority at the same time.

I'm glad you recognize it as a mere fact, and not an excuse.

MAC702 · 10-13-2012, 09:42

"Hey! Japan is attacking and mistreating Americans!"

"Well, two can play that game. We'll go and mistreat Americans, too!"

***Dragoon44*** · 10-13-2012, 10:11

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Originally Posted by FLIPPER 348

Because we did what we did based on Japan's actions.

Not just japans action but also the actions of some Americans with Japanese ancestry. 5,620 of them renounced their U.S. citizenship when America declared war on Japan. 20,000 Japanese Americans living in Japan when the war broke out joined the Japanese war effort, some even joining the Japanese army. At least one Japanese american was prosecuted for war crimes for his participation in the Burma death march.

NO German Americans, Italian Americans or others renounced their citizenship during the war.

That said I do believe forcing Japanese Americans away from their homes for no other reason than their race was wrong and even though they were not forcibly interred and were free to move to wherever they liked away from the restricted areas. those people deserved compensation and an apology.

raven11 · 10-13-2012, 10:25

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NO German Americans, Italian Americans or others renounced their citizenship during the war.

SS-Untersturmführer Martin Monti
Howard Marggraff
SS-Hauptsturmführer Peter Delaney

http://www.bills-bunker.privat.t-online.de/64490.html

***Dragoon44*** · 10-13-2012, 10:35

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SS-Untersturmführer Martin Monti
Howard Marggraff
SS-Hauptsturmführer Peter Delaney

http://www.bills-bunker.privat.t-online.de/64490.html

I would have thought that from the context is would have been clear that reference was to those LIVING WITHIN THE UNITED STATES. Not those who left the U.S.

The 5,620 Japanese Americans renounced their citizenship while living in the U.S.

raven11 · 10-13-2012, 10:42

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Originally Posted by Dragoon44

I would have thought that from the context is would have been clear that reference was to those LIVING WITHIN THE UNITED STATES. Not those who left the U.S.

The 5,620 Japanese Americans renounced their citizenship while living in the U.S.

Moving the Goalpost

Martin Monti was in the USAAF and took a plane when he defected

***Dragoon44*** · 10-13-2012, 11:36

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Originally Posted by raven11

Moving the Goalpost

Martin Monti was in the USAAF and took a plane when he defected

Not hardly, the link you posted says nothing about either of those two individuals formally and legally renouncing their Citizenship. You do understand that renunciation is a formal legal process right?

it's not just saying, I don't want to be an american anymore and leaving. 5,620 Japanese Americans formally and legally renounced their citizenship while living in the U.S. ( with plans to leave for Japan afterward.

Th 20,000 Japanese Americans living in Japan that joined the Japanese war effort did not formally or legally renounce their American citizenship.

Japanese American associations had to petition Congress to allow renunciation during war time ( and Congress gave in and passed the law allowing it.)

Martin Monti did not steal a plane in the U.s. and fly to Germany in it. He was already overseas and stole the plane in Naples.

Averageman · 10-13-2012, 13:30

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Originally Posted by Foxtrotx1

We detained US citizens who were supposed to be protected by our constitution. Not Japanese soldiers.

It's easy to justify when it's not your people though? oh wait, they were your people, they were AMERICANS.

Based upon the times, how long would it have taken to check the backgrounds of all of those people?
It may not have been nice, it may not have been legal even, but based upon the context and technology of the times it was expediant.
We sit back all warm and comfortable today because we had Men in Government willing to make hard decisions based upon a War and a premptive strike.
Do I feel bad that it happened, I feel bad it had to happen.

***Dragoon44*** · 10-13-2012, 13:42

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it may not have been legal even

It was legal, it went before the SCOTUS and the SCOTUS ruled it Constitutional.

in large part because the action was based on the Alien and sedition laws passed by the Founding Fathers in 1798. laws that were never struck down by any court.