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Old 10-12-2012, 17:52   #26
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Type 3 is a dead trigger.
Look and move, you should see brass low in the ejection port. Check to see if you have another magazine. Lock the slide to the rear. Strip the magazine (retain it if you did not have another magazine when you checked), Rack, Rack, Rack, Index a magazine and insert. Rack to load, decide whether to shoot.

These are the front sight malfunction clearance procedures.


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----Ok well that is good info. I was practicing type 3 without the locking the slide to the rear. Was just doing.. strip mag, rack, rack, rack, index mag/insert. Rack to load...

Wished I was not required to lock slide back as I was doing pretty good with the other style and the glock/lock will take some getting adjusted to under pressure..

----My other question/issue was do we drop mags on the ground during tactical reloads (at front sight school...) or are we required to retain them during the interchange. This will be my first trip there in case I did not explain earlier.
Trying to get some "perfect practice" in and do not want to have to change muscle memory a ton during the class..

I just hope to soak up as much as possible during the classroom/range time. Thanks guys! You have been very helpfull. And yes, I do need to pick up one of those reloaders.
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Old 10-12-2012, 18:15   #27
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With Emergency reloads you'll drop your mags on the deck. During Admin or Tac reloads you'll retain them in an offside pocket nowhere near your fully loaded mags.
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Old 10-13-2012, 16:16   #30
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I graduated the FS 4 Day Defensive Handgun course with a G26 and 10-round mags. So you should have no issues with a G19. Whenever you go up to the line to shoot, take all of your loaded mags and also dump a couple of handfuls of ammo in your pockets. Whenever you are not shooting, load your mags. Cargo pants or shorts are a good idea. Good luck. If you can practice your Level I, II, and III malfuction clearing drills before you go then you will be ahead of the game.
I was there last weekend and shot my brand new G26. Man, I was worn out after 3.5 days and left without taking the skills test. I knew I would never pass the malfunction test without practice. I'm going back in the spring better prepared. Also think I will take a larger framed gun like the G19.

I think the class was excellent and would recommend to anyone. The internet rumors almost scared me away, but I had a great experience.

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Old 10-13-2012, 16:30   #31
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I cant wait. Hear the shoot house is pretty cool.. Thanks for all the good info. Got my electronic ears in the mail now. Can't believe that I have been doing without the new tech all this time.
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Old 10-13-2012, 19:27   #32
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I cant wait. Hear the shoot house is pretty cool.. Thanks for all the good info. Got my electronic ears in the mail now. Can't believe that I have been doing without the new tech all this time.
The shoot house was eye opening for me. Educational and eye opening - and not in a good way. After it, I'm not planning on doing any house clearing!

Everything there was professional, efficient, and well worth the time and money.


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Old 10-13-2012, 20:06   #33
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The shoot house was eye opening for me. Educational and eye opening - and not in a good way. After it, I'm not planning on doing any house clearing!

Everything there was professional, efficient, and well worth the time and money.


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I am guessing the shoot house was dark. would you recommend a weapon light?
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Old 10-13-2012, 20:30   #34
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I am guessing the shoot house was dark. would you recommend a weapon light?
Not when I was there, but I think I remember that they do it at night for some classes. Not sure about that.


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Old 10-13-2012, 21:07   #35
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I am guessing the shoot house was dark. would you recommend a weapon light?
The shoot house has no roof. It's not dark. No need for weapon lights for a daytime class. They do have night classes.
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Old 10-14-2012, 13:13   #36
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I haven't done any courses yet, but when I do, my G19 RTF2 is what I'm taking. I think the G19 is perfect for a handgun course. I hope you have a great time, and soak up a lot of information.
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Old 10-14-2012, 14:53   #37
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Ammo has nothing to do with BTF. Poor design changes and lack of consistency in manufacturing processes does.

That said, you'll be fine. Good luck and have fun.
I read on the internets that it is caused by limp wristed people. What gives?
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Old 10-14-2012, 16:05   #38
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Anybody know if the skills test at the end requires the use of concealed draw with a cover garment? I know they have you practice some with a cover but not sure if that's part of the final test.

Thanks again for all the help.
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I've attended a lot of Front Sight courses. You'll be just fine with your G19. My first course with them was using a SIG 228 with cheap Chinese ball ammo. No probs whatsoever. Naish Piazza, the director used to carry a G22, not sure what he's running these days.

Despite the above advice, Winchester White Box is very common out there and will run in your 19 just fine. No experience with BTF so I can't speak on that. Most importantly, bring drinks, sunscreen and snacks. I'd bring a band aid or two for your magazine reloading thumb too. It'll get a workout by the end of 4 days.
I would cancel if I wasn't allowed using my LULA.

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Anybody know if the skills test at the end requires the use of concealed draw with a cover garment? I know they have you practice some with a cover but not sure if that's part of the final test.

Thanks again for all the help.
Yes, it's required if you want to be scored.
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Old 10-14-2012, 19:19   #41
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Thanks Larry.
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Old 10-16-2012, 23:27   #42
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I was there last weekend and shot my brand new G26. Man, I was worn out after 3.5 days and left without taking the skills test. I knew I would never pass the malfunction test without practice. I'm going back in the spring better prepared. Also think I will take a larger framed gun like the G19.

I think the class was excellent and would recommend to anyone. The internet rumors almost scared me away, but I had a great experience.

Have fun.
I felt like the most challenging of the time pressures was the emergency reload.
Remember you'll already know which malfunction you are clearing during the test. Don't waste time during the clearance drill pretending you pulled the trigger just start the procedure.


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Old 10-16-2012, 23:29   #43
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Oh and my father in law and I will be there for the 4 day class that ends on Veterans Day. If anyone else is going to be there we should get on the same range. Send me a PM.
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Anybody know if the skills test at the end requires the use of concealed draw with a cover garment? I know they have you practice some with a cover but not sure if that's part of the final test.

Thanks again for all the help.
Yes, the test is using a concealment garment. You don't practice "some", you practice alot!!

Bring the biggest gun you have, preferably with a hi capacity. A Glock 19 would be ideal. I did it with a 1911. Most instructors I had used them, but capacity can be limiting.

You will after four days understand why a G17 or G19 is considered a combat handgun used for gun fighting and is to be used as a carry gun and a Kahr CM9 is not to be considered either one. A 26 would be taxing as would a 30.

You will scoff at all these micro guns on the market and you will know how to properly carry, conceal, and use a proper fighting pistol. An LCP at the bottom of your cargo pockets does not do anything.



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Old 10-17-2012, 01:08   #45
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Not when I was there, but I think I remember that they do it at night for some classes. Not sure about that.


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You need a handheld light for the night shooting. One thing I took away from the night class is that I'll use the darkness to get away. I don't think turning on a light will do anything except make you a better target.

As to the shoot house, unless some loved one is in extreme danger, I don't plan on doing house clearing. That's what SWAT teams are for.

As per the Type 3 malfunction drills, do it their way for the class then when at home don't worry about locking slide back. Skip 1/3 of the steps.

Don't worry about practicing before you go. You will be taught everything you need to know and will practice until you want to quit.In fact, you don't want to reinforce bad habits.

Bring headache powders also.

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Old 10-17-2012, 10:43   #46
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You guys have been very helpful and informative. Is there any sort of malf drill for the revolver guys? Other than shoot again.. . Wonder how many times the instructor thinks to himself "your gun will do but not with you" lol
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Old 10-17-2012, 20:35   #47
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You need a handheld light for the night shooting. One thing I took away from the night class is that I'll use the darkness to get away. I don't think turning on a light will do anything except make you a better target.

They don't do night shooting during the 4-day handgun any more. It was fun, but not that useful.
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Old 10-17-2012, 22:26   #48
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You guys have been very helpful and informative. Is there any sort of malf drill for the revolver guys? Other than shoot again.. . Wonder how many times the instructor thinks to himself "your gun will do but not with you" lol
They will be professional, but if no one in the group has a revolver expect a snide comment or two.

Both reloads get a whopping 7.0 seconds. I assume that's because you have to do a compete reload from speed loader.

There are only type 1 malfunctions on revolvers right? Not sure how they score those.

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