[Yankee2718]

Originally Posted by WinterWizard

Corbon Pow'R Ball (165gr @ 1225 fps)
Underwood Ammo (185gr @ 1200 fps)
Speer Gold Dot (200gr @ 1080 fps)
Underwood Ammo (230gr @ 1000 fps)

If you are still under the impression that all .45 acp loads are 230gr @ 850 fps, you probably need JustForMen beard dyes.

In addition, there are the Hornady Tap 200gr @ 1050 fps and a slew of 185gr offerings on the market in the 1100-1150 fps range.

Sorry, reality strikes again...

Hornady Ammo never makes claimed velocity. The only factory ammo that can be considered fast is the speer 200 grain load.

Still, the majority of loads available for the round are 230 grain loads ranging from 880-950 fps.

[ABNAK]

Originally Posted by WinterWizard

Corbon Pow'R Ball (165gr @ 1225 fps)
Underwood Ammo (185gr @ 1200 fps)
Speer Gold Dot (200gr @ 1080 fps)
Underwood Ammo (230gr @ 1000 fps)

If you are still under the impression that all .45 acp loads are 230gr @ 850 fps, you probably need JustForMen beard dyes.

In addition, there are the Hornady Tap 200gr @ 1050 fps and a slew of 185gr offerings on the market in the 1100-1150 fps range.

Sorry, reality strikes again...

Here's a little reality for ya: gonna carry a 5" 1911 for CCW? The 5" barrel is the industry standard for testing .45ACP. Start getting into the more CCW-friendly platforms and you won't see those velocities.

I chrono'd HST 230gr +P at a little over 900fps from an XDM with a 3.8" barrel so I'm well aware of what is possible.

[WinterWizard]

Originally Posted by ABNAK

Here's a little reality for ya: gonna carry a 5" 1911 for CCW? The 5" barrel is the industry standard for testing .45ACP. Start getting into the more CCW-friendly platforms and you won't see those velocities.

I chrono'd HST 230gr +P at a little over 900fps from an XDM with a 3.8" barrel so I'm well aware of what is possible.

Who said anything about CCW'ing? This thread is not about that. And the HST is NOT one of the rounds I listed.

But by the by, I would and HAVE carried a 1911. I don't own one currently, but would have no problems carrying one again.

[WinterWizard]

Originally Posted by Yankee2718

Hornady Ammo never makes claimed velocity. The only factory ammo that can be considered fast is the speer 200 grain load.

Still, the majority of loads available for the round are 230 grain loads ranging from 880-950 fps.

Same applies to every other caliber, as well (not reaching advertised velocities). And sometimes, ammo makers actually exceed advertised velocities in some cases, like Underwood.

But I apologize. Only an idiot doesn't know that 1200 fps is only quick if it's a 9mm. 1200 fps in a .45acp is slow. What was I thinking...

[SCmasterblaster]

Originally Posted by ABNAK

Here's a little reality for ya: gonna carry a 5" 1911 for CCW? The 5" barrel is the industry standard for testing .45ACP. Start getting into the more CCW-friendly platforms and you won't see those velocities.

I chrono'd HST 230gr +P at a little over 900fps from an XDM with a 3.8" barrel so I'm well aware of what is possible.

I used to carry a M1911A1 .45 pistol - that is until the Glock 17 came along.

[ABNAK]

Originally Posted by WinterWizard

Who said anything about CCW'ing? This thread is not about that.

True, but I tend to think in terms of ballistics for a defense gun, in my case a CCW piece.

And the HST is NOT one of the rounds I listed.

Should have, 'cause the +P version *should* approach 1000fps from a 5" barrel.

[Yankee2718]

Originally Posted by WinterWizard

Same applies to every other caliber, as well (not reaching advertised velocities). And sometimes, ammo makers actually exceed advertised velocities in some cases, like Underwood.

But I apologize. Only an idiot doesn't know that 1200 fps is only quick if it's a 9mm. 1200 fps in a .45acp is slow. What was I thinking...

It is fast. My only point was that most 45 loads are 230 grain loads because they are the most popular and sell the best.

[WinterWizard]

Originally Posted by ABNAK

True, but I tend to think in terms of ballistics for a defense gun, in my case a CCW piece.

Well, all calibers suffer from velocity loss from shorter barrels. Except 9mm of course. 9mm actually gains 50 fps for every inch of barrel loss.

Originally Posted by ABNAK

Should have, 'cause the +P version *should* approach 1000fps from a 5" barrel.

I believe the 230gr +P HST is rated at 950 fps from a 5" barrel. So a realistic expectation is probably 925 fps.

[ABNAK]

Originally Posted by WinterWizard

I believe the 230gr +P HST is rated at 950 fps from a 5" barrel. So a realistic expectation is probably 925 fps.

I looked at my data and I got 918fps average from the XDM's 3.8" barrel. Another 1.2" of length *should* kick it up well over 950fps but it is a heavy-for-caliber load so they don't lose/gain as much with barrel length changes as the lighter and faster ones

[cowboy1964]

Originally Posted by WinterWizard

I can add about 5 people in this thread to the list of people perpetuating the myth that .45 acp is big and slow. It has benefited from modern ammo advancements just like every other caliber. It just ain't slow any more. Slower than most calibers, yes. But not slow.

165 gr. @ 1225 fps
185 gr @ 1200 fps
200 gr @ 1080 fps
230 gr @ 1000 fps

Quite a kick at those weights and velocities, no doubt. I've shot Gold Dot 200+P and I do not like it at all.

[SCmasterblaster]

Originally Posted by WinterWizard

I can add about 5 people in this thread to the list of people perpetuating the myth that .45 acp is big and slow. It has benefited from modern ammo advancements just like every other caliber. It just ain't slow any more. Slower than most calibers, yes. But not slow.

165 gr. @ 1225 fps
185 gr @ 1200 fps
200 gr @ 1080 fps
230 gr @ 1000 fps

A 230 gr .45 ACP at 1000 FPS? Who makes this overload?

[WinterWizard]

Originally Posted by SCmasterblaster

A 230 gr .45 ACP at 1000 FPS? Who makes this overload?

Underwood Ammo. Only 10 fps faster than the Winchester Ranger-T 230gr +P @ 990 fps.

Even in the hottest +P loads, .45acp feels soft to me. More of a thud than a sharp snap.

[SCmasterblaster]

If I ever have to CCW a .45 ACP again, I'll know where to go for ammo!

[1smoothredneck]

Don't discount temporary stretch cavitation(TSC) as being irrelevant. The .357 magnum with 125 grain JHP earned it's title "King of the Street" by putting bad guys down like the hammer of thor when put just about anyplace important. I for one give much credit to the awesome TSC of this round. In my mind, for a civilian, much too much import is given to the FBI criteria. Maybe many years ago when on the job, I'd have needed more barrier penetration, but not now(Even though I felt very well armed with my magnum wheelie with Federal 125 gr. JHPs, which are a bit light on penetration according to the feds.)
Be Safe

[JD_19x9]

Awesome ballistic testing from tnoutdoors9, love those videos. I was impressed by his testing of the Federal HST rounds for self defense and have switched to carrying them in all calibers.

All with standard pressure
Summer - 9mm - 147gr
Autumn/Spring - .40 - 180gr
Winter - .45 - 230gr

I like the quality of the ammo and the performance/accuracy I got while testing them...

HST .45acp 230gr from 5" barrel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=iWW2Y-IZpyE

[SCmasterblaster]

Originally Posted by 1smoothredneck

Don't discount temporary stretch cavitation(TSC) as being irrelevant. The .357 magnum with 125 grain JHP earned it's title "King of the Street" by putting bad guys down like the hammer of thor when put just about anyplace important. I for one give much credit to the awesome TSC of this round. In my mind, for a civilian, much too much import is given to the FBI criteria. Maybe many years ago when on the job, I'd have needed more barrier penetration, but not now(Even though I felt very well armed with my magnum wheelie with Federal 125 gr. JHPs, which are a bit light on penetration according to the feds.)
Be Safe

I wonder what barrel length has been used in all of those .357 magnum police shootings? 4-inch?