Observations from Tnoutdoors9 Test - Page 3

4949shooter · 10-12-2012, 12:18

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Originally Posted by dpadams6

Yes. I agree. Seems like this load would hold up very well at higher speeds and being its a controlled/slow expansion, would probably get the best of both worlds.

That's what I am thinking.

Great minds think alike!

SCmasterblaster · 10-12-2012, 13:49

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Originally Posted by 4949shooter

I would like to see the 10mm version of this bad boy tested. 155 grains at 1270 (as chronographed by doc).

That must be one hard-hitting round!

clarkstoncz · 10-12-2012, 14:04

I'd like to see him test a few DT 115 and 80 gr TAC-XPs in both 9mm+P and
.357 SIG.

The Barnes X bullet needs no jacket or gimmicks for both adequate penetration and
perfect expansion.

If it were only cheaper, more people would be dumping conventional or bonded
JHPs.

Testing of the DT 155 gr. TAC-XP in 10mm would be interesting as well.

The only problem being that MOST people can't control a full power 10mm
like they can with most any .357 SIG load on the market.

10mm use among police is rare these days.. with the majority of the street data is from years
ago when the TEN had heavier bullets.

As a former 10mm owner (10 years) I really like it, but shoot the smaller framed .357 Glocks much better due to less recoil.

I think the testing so far from TN9 is interesting but would like to see it more balanced.

SCmasterblaster · 10-12-2012, 14:08

Lots of pictures here.

4949shooter · 10-12-2012, 15:51

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Originally Posted by SCmasterblaster

That must be one hard-hitting round!

Hopefully TN will get around to it.

clarkstoncz · 10-12-2012, 22:29

I'd send him a few rounds of (each load shown) of my ammo, but having to ship through UPS is a real quagmire.

4949shooter · 10-13-2012, 02:36

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Originally Posted by clarkstoncz

I'd send him a few rounds of (each load shown) of my ammo, but having to ship through UPS is a real quagmire.

He has said he won't accept rounds from people anyway. Everything he tests he purchases himself.

Yankee2718 · 10-13-2012, 07:30

I want to see him test the 155 grain XTP/Gold Dot HP from Underwood in .40S&W. The round is listing at 1300fps. That's close to factory 10mm velocity.

uz2bUSMC · 10-13-2012, 08:59

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Originally Posted by Yankee2718

I want to see him test the 155 grain XTP/Gold Dot HP from Underwood in .40S&W. The round is listing at 1300fps. That's close to factory 10mm velocity.

I'm pretty sure that everyone will get to see the tests they want to see most. He is testing at a pretty fast pace. To me it seems as though all of the spare time I would guess he has is all nearly spent on his tests.

4949shooter · 10-13-2012, 10:45

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Originally Posted by uz2bUSMC

I'm pretty sure that everyone will get to see the tests they want to see most. He is testing at a pretty fast pace. To me it seems as though all of the spare time I would guess he has is all nearly spent on his tests.

Yeah I almost feel bad for him.

PrecisionRifleman · 10-13-2012, 11:53

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Originally Posted by 4949shooter

I would like to see the 10mm version of this bad boy tested. 155 grains at 1270 (as chronographed by doc).

I can get 1300fps with the 155XTP using a Max load of longshot in 40s&w according to the Hornady manual. Im going to test the longshot next week for accuracy. In the 10mm you can go faster, but 1300fps is really smoking from a 40. with a 155gr.

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4949shooter · 10-13-2012, 12:24

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Originally Posted by PrecisionRifleman

I can get 1300fps with the 155XTP using a Max load of longshot in 40s&w according to the Hornady manual. Im going to test the longshot next week for accuracy. In the 10mm you can go faster, but 1300fps is really smoking from a 40. with a 155gr.

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Rifleman,

i agree. Having corresponded with Hornady regarding their 10mm ammo, it's obvious they don't want to load it too hot. They are being conservative with their loads, which is no doubt a liability issue for them. 155 at 1300 would be great!

SCmasterblaster · 10-13-2012, 14:20

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Originally Posted by PrecisionRifleman

I can get 1300fps with the 155XTP using a Max load of longshot in 40s&w according to the Hornady manual. Im going to test the longshot next week for accuracy. In the 10mm you can go faster, but 1300fps is really smoking from a 40. with a 155gr.

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Do you use reloads for CCW? I don't.

Zombie Steve · 10-13-2012, 18:16

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Originally Posted by SCmasterblaster

Do you use reloads for CCW? I don't.

I never recommend people use reloads for their carry ammunition, because for all I know, their reloads suck... but it works for me.

WiskyT · 10-13-2012, 19:20

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Originally Posted by 4949shooter

Rifleman,

i agree. Having corresponded with Hornady regarding their 10mm ammo, it's obvious they don't want to load it too hot. They are being conservative with their loads, which is no doubt a liability issue for them. 155 at 1300 would be great!

XTP's don't need a lot of velocity to expand. They seem to have a fragile nose that opens easily. Their limited expansion comes from the stiff core using a harder lead alloy. This gives them a good combination of reliable expansion and deep penetration without extreme velocities. They aren't the only bullet capable of this, but they are one of them for sure. Most Hornady loads are loaded at modest velocities because the company doesn't see any advantage to driving them faster.

Take their 124 9mm load. It runs about 1100fps. They can easily be driven to 1250 with a non+P load of Unique. I've loaded and chrono'd them and my numbers match Stephen A. Camp's results, so it's no special ragged edge loading to get that velocity with that bullet. I'm sure many other powders would give the same results. So Hornady could very easily drive the bullet 150fps faster without any liability issues, they just don't see the need for it.

PrecisionRifleman · 10-13-2012, 19:29

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Originally Posted by SCmasterblaster

Do you use reloads for CCW? I don't.

I have been carrying handloaded 155XTPs with BlueDot @ 1150fps. Very accurate. More accurate than my Golddot 180's so I switched a few weeks ago.

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unit1069 · 10-13-2012, 19:30

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Originally Posted by WiskyT

Take their 124 9mm load. It runs about 1100fps. They can easily be driven to 1250 with a non+P load of Unique. I've loaded and chrono'd them and my numbers match Stephen A. Camp's results, so it's no special ragged edge loading to get that velocity with that bullet. I'm sure many other powders would give the same results. So Hornady could very easily drive the bullet 150fps faster without any liability issues, they just don't see the need for it.

A couple of other experienced GT members who used to post here verified that the 9mm XTP bullet retained its integrity at the velocity you mention, and a lot of other contributors have attested to the durability of this particular Hornady bullet.

I'd really like to see tnoutdoors9 test the Fiocchi 115-grain Extrema XTP round that one GT member chronoed at an honest 1230 fps. I carry this in my small CCW pistol and although I can't vouch for any statistics I can say it's the most accurate round I've found for this pistol.

SCmasterblaster · 10-13-2012, 19:42

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Originally Posted by PrecisionRifleman

I have been carrying handloaded 155XTPs with BlueDot @ 1150fps. Very accurate. More accurate than my Golddot 180's so I switched a few weeks ago.

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BlueDot is a great powder!

4949shooter · 10-14-2012, 04:40

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Originally Posted by WiskyT

XTP's don't need a lot of velocity to expand. They seem to have a fragile nose that opens easily. Their limited expansion comes from the stiff core using a harder lead alloy. This gives them a good combination of reliable expansion and deep penetration without extreme velocities. They aren't the only bullet capable of this, but they are one of them for sure. Most Hornady loads are loaded at modest velocities because the company doesn't see any advantage to driving them faster.

Take their 124 9mm load. It runs about 1100fps. They can easily be driven to 1250 with a non+P load of Unique. I've loaded and chrono'd them and my numbers match Stephen A. Camp's results, so it's no special ragged edge loading to get that velocity with that bullet. I'm sure many other powders would give the same results. So Hornady could very easily drive the bullet 150fps faster without any liability issues, they just don't see the need for it.

You are probably right, Wisky. Same with Corbon 10mm ammo, I believe.

SCmasterblaster · 10-14-2012, 12:15

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Originally Posted by 4949shooter

You are probably right, Wisky. Same with Corbon 10mm ammo, I believe.

I fully endorse Corbon ammo.

WinterWizard · 10-15-2012, 12:59

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Originally Posted by JW1178

Well, when speaking of the .45ACP, it has more than enough size and weight to make up for it's slower speed. However the .357sig has more than enough speed to make up for it's lack of size and weight.

I can add about 5 people in this thread to the list of people perpetuating the myth that .45 acp is big and slow. It has benefited from modern ammo advancements just like every other caliber. It just ain't slow any more. Slower than most calibers, yes. But not slow.

165 gr. @ 1225 fps
185 gr @ 1200 fps
200 gr @ 1080 fps
230 gr @ 1000 fps

ABNAK · 10-15-2012, 15:34

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Originally Posted by WinterWizard

I can add about 5 people in this thread to the list of people perpetuating the myth that .45 acp is big and slow. It has benefited from modern ammo advancements just like every other caliber. It just ain't slow any more. Slower than most calibers, yes. But not slow.

165 gr. @ 1225 fps
185 gr @ 1200 fps
200 gr @ 1080 fps
230 gr @ 1000 fps

Those gotta be handloads. If not, who makes them?

WinterWizard · 10-15-2012, 16:39

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Originally Posted by ABNAK

Those gotta be handloads. If not, who makes them?

Corbon Pow'R Ball (165gr @ 1225 fps)
Underwood Ammo (185gr @ 1200 fps)
Speer Gold Dot (200gr @ 1080 fps)
Underwood Ammo (230gr @ 1000 fps)

If you are still under the impression that all .45 acp loads are 230gr @ 850 fps, you probably need JustForMen beard dyes.

In addition, there are the Hornady Tap 200gr @ 1050 fps and a slew of 185gr offerings on the market in the 1100-1150 fps range.

Sorry, reality strikes again...

bdcremer · 10-15-2012, 17:37

A couple years back tnoutdoors9 tested the Corbon DPX 115 grain +p 9mm in his old style of wet pack in jugs. I would like to see him retest this round in gel. I will say, out of a G17 the 115 DPX does bark pretty well.

SCmasterblaster · 10-15-2012, 18:45

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Originally Posted by Yankee2718

I want to see him test the 155 grain XTP/Gold Dot HP from Underwood in .40S&W. The round is listing at 1300fps. That's close to factory 10mm velocity.

I'd like to examine a fired case from this load. The primer must be flattened.