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Old 10-17-2012, 19:45   #151
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Have you guys read the links Acujeff posted? Do you refuse to accept them? The NRA exists to protect the 2nd Amend. Do you think they are lying? Fooled? Confused? Have you not seen how the trolls come on GlockTalk and try to muddy the waters so you doubt yourself. One candidate wants more gun control. One does not. Simple as that.
Makes you wonder if they are ignorant or are trying to scare people away from Romney to help Obama doesn't it?
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Old 10-17-2012, 19:46   #152
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Have you guys read the links Acujeff posted? Do you refuse to accept them? The NRA exists to protect the 2nd Amend. Do you think they are lying? Fooled? Confused? Have you not seen how the trolls come on GlockTalk and try to muddy the waters so you doubt yourself. One candidate wants more gun control. One does not. Simple as that.
He is consistently right (correct) and consistently ignored by the trolls and non-trolls. IMHO.
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Old 10-17-2012, 19:55   #153
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Have you guys read the links Acujeff posted? Do you refuse to accept them? The NRA exists to protect the 2nd Amend. Do you think they are lying? Fooled? Confused? Have you not seen how the trolls come on GlockTalk and try to muddy the waters so you doubt yourself. One candidate wants more gun control. One does not. Simple as that.
Yeah, the NRA is so thrilled with Romney and his record they waited until this month to begrudgingly endorse him.

As far as Acujeff, his propaganda has been handily debunked.
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Old 10-17-2012, 19:57   #154
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He is consistently right (correct) and consistently ignored by the trolls and non-trolls. IMHO.
Put it in perspective.

They can't push Obama's great economic plan as being superior to Romney's

They can't say Obama is doing a terrific job at foriegn policy

They know that most people cannot be swayed with an argument for the benefits of Obama care.

They know no one is in favor of increasing the defict like Obama has.


BUT, this is a "gun Based" forum. "Gun owners are single minded about that issue, now we can't convince them that Obama is good for gun owners (we tried earlier but his history and the facts got in the way), but if we can convince them that Romney is WORSE.......So we are going to ignore the facts and keep hammering on his signing a bill and ignore the facts surrounding it. We will just keep repeating "He signed a bill, he signed a bill..." over and over."
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Put it in perspective.

They can't push Obama's great economic plan as being superior to Romney's

They can't say Obama is doing a terrific job at foriegn policy

They know that most people cannot be swayed with an argument for the benefits of Obama care.

They know no one is in favor of increasing the defict like Obama has.


BUT, this is a "gun Based" forum. "Gun owners are single minded about that issue, now we can't convince them that Obama is good for gun owners (we tried earlier but his history and the facts got in the way), but if we can convince them that Romney is WORSE.......So we are going to ignore the facts and keep hammering on his signing a bill and ignore the facts surrounding it. We will just keep repeating "He signed a bill, he signed a bill..." over and over."
Who is the quote from?
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The book of Countrygun, ppg 243
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Oh. I thought it was from pg. 223.
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Oh. I thought it was from pg. 223.
That was the Readers Digest Edition.
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Old 10-17-2012, 21:34   #159
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You're probably right, that doesn't make him the stalwart 2nd amendment supporter that some make him out to be however. I also can't find it in me to trust someone that has been on every side of that issue.

This isn't very inspiring either.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Mitt...un_Control.htm

The same statement the Obama supporters keep replaying would be a concern if Romney actually banned guns, signed anti-2A bills into law, increased gun control or just even left the same amount of gun control in effect while Gov of MA. It was certainly politically expedient for Romney to be anti-2A but all his actions, bills and laws show the opposite. He only reduced gun control, removed anti-2A language from bills and signed pro-2A laws.

So Romney has already been politically tested on the RKBA against a congress that was 85% anti-2A and his record is all pro-2A which very encouraging for gun owners.

As President, we would expect him to do the same. How do we know? From his record.

In the same way, Obama makes pro-2A statements but all his actions are abusively anti-2A, some criminally so. How do we know he'll continue abusing his authority with anti-2A executive orders and regulations? From his record.

In addition, Obama will appoint more anti-2A Justices to the Supreme Court in his 2nd term. Only one more Justice makes an anti-2A majority for the next 30-40 years. That means we won't see another pro-2A decision in our lifetime and previous ones can be dismantled or overturned.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/20...n-second-term/

If Ruble Noon was really concerned about gun owners he would be supporting Romney in defeating Obama, who is the real threat to the RKBA.
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Strange, the politicians have forum members referring to sporting arms as "assault weapons"

WISE UP FOLKS!!!! They are talking about a sporting arms ban, not a select-fire arms ban!
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So we are going to ignore the facts
Yeah, you keep doing that.

1994: backed 5-day waiting period on gun sales

2002: I will not chip away at MA's tough gun laws

2002: My positions won't make me the hero of the NRA

GovWatch: 1994: did not “line up with the NRA”

Support the 2nd Amendment AND the assault weapon ban

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I do support the Second Amendment. I would have signed the assault weapon ban that came to his desk. I said I would have supported that and signed a similar bill in our state
So we signed that in Massachusetts, and I’d support that at the federal level.
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Let’s get the record straight. First of all, there’s no question that I support 2nd Amendment rights, but I also support an assault weapon ban
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Yeah, you keep doing that.

1994: backed 5-day waiting period on gun sales

2002: I will not chip away at MA's tough gun laws

2002: My positions won't make me the hero of the NRA

GovWatch: 1994: did not “line up with the NRA”

Support the 2nd Amendment AND the assault weapon ban
http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Mitt...un_Control.htm


That's because Romney’s pro-2A position had to be “under the radar”.

It was the only way to get the MA legislature (85% strictly anti-2A) to actually politically cooperate with Romney and GOAL's pro-2A agenda. That's politics in MA.

So did Romney say one thing and do another? To protect the RKBA - absolutely.

Would he do the same thing as President? If he was facing a majority anti-2A congress -absolutely.

Would he reveal his strategy to the gun control crowd? -absolutely not.

What if he was facing a pro-2A congress or minority anti-2A congress? - he wouldn't have to use this strategy - he would just be straight out pro-2A.

How do we know all this for certain? By his record. What politicians do is more important, and revealing, than what they need to say to get it done.

Romney's record clearly shows, in the face of a veto-proof majority anti-2A congress, he only reduced gun control, removed gun control from bills or signed pro-2A bills. The strength of his character on the 2A is very encouraging for gun owners.

Bush made the same kind of statements and achieved similar pro-2A success. It's the only pro-2A strategy that works when dealing with a majority of obstructionist anti-2A legislators.

Ruble understands "under the radar" because that's been Obama's anti-2A agenda. Obama makes pro-2A statements but all his actions are anti-2A. Ruble has made it abudently clear - on all the threads he's high jacked - he's OK with Obama's attacks on the RKBA. He's only "outraged" at Romney's pro-2A record. So we know Ruble is a hypocrite and not looking out for the interests of gun owners.
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That's because Romney’s pro-2A position had to be “under the radar”.

It was the only way to get the MA legislature (85% strictly anti-2A) to actually politically cooperate with Romney and GOAL's pro-2A agenda. That's politics in MA.

So did Romney say one thing and do another? To protect the RKBA - absolutely.

Would he do the same thing as President? If he was facing a majority anti-2A congress -absolutely.

Would he reveal his strategy to the gun control crowd? -absolutely not.

What if he was facing a pro-2A congress or minority anti-2A congress? - he wouldn't have to use this strategy - he would just be straight out pro-2A.

How do we know all this for certain? By his record. What politicians do is more important, and revealing, than what they need to say to get it done.

Romney's record clearly shows, in the face of a veto-proof majority anti-2A congress, he only reduced gun control, removed gun control from bills or signed pro-2A bills. The strength of his character on the 2A is very encouraging for gun owners.

Bush made the same kind of statements and achieved similar pro-2A success. It's the only pro-2A strategy that works when dealing with a majority of obstructionist anti-2A legislators.

Ruble understands "under the radar" because that's been Obama's anti-2A agenda. Obama makes pro-2A statements but all his actions are anti-2A. Ruble has made it abudently clear - on all the threads he's high jacked - he's OK with Obama's attacks on the RKBA. He's only "outraged" at Romney's pro-2A record. So we know Ruble is a hypocrite and not looking out for the interests of gun owners.
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I think Rumble Tune is cracking up under the realization that Obama is going to lose.

Poor guy, after all his hard work to get people to throw away their votes.

Unrealistic expectations lead to disappointment
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Inappropriate laughter? Mystery solved.....Ruble is a Joe Biden impersonator!
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Inappropriate laughter? Mystery solved.....Ruble is a Joe Biden impersonator!
Actually, I was just going to post the you and Countrygun sound like obama and biden with their binders full of women crap. When you can't defend yourself or in your case, your liberal gun banning candidate, attack the messenger.
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Actually, I was just going to post the you and Countrygun sound like obama and biden with their binders full of women crap. When you can't defend yourself or in your case, your liberal gun banning candidate, attack the messenger.
Romney's position and actions have been well defended.

Now you are demonstrating denial along with the inappropriate laughter.

More of your liberal side is showing
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I will say this...

My hope isn't in Romney completely. I'm voting for him because he is the best of the two candidates who have a chance to win. And he has stated with his own mouth that he thinks that we don't need more gun laws. But I will keep a eye on it. I will keep up on my NRA dues. I'll watch the congress and contact my congressmen. I'll also watch on the state and local level. The watching never stops. That's what we do.

But I'll say it again: o. will do what he can to limit or end the 2nd amendment. O. says he will. Romney says he will not. I'm going with Romney.
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I will say this...

My hope isn't in Romney completely. I'm voting for him because he is the best of the two candidates who have a chance to win. And he has stated with his own mouth that he thinks that we don't need more gun laws. But I will keep a eye on it. I will keep up on my NRA dues. I'll watch the congress and contact my congressmen. I'll also watch on the state and local level. The watching never stops. That's what we do.

But I'll say it again: o. will do what he can to limit or end the 2nd amendment. O. says he will. Romney says he will not. I'm going with Romney.


The message we want to send is if any politician abuses our RKBA their actions will be fought and they will be fired by voters. I agree that no group watches better and carries more weight than the NRA.

GW Bush was often categorized as anti-2A but he appointed two pro-RKBA Justices to the Supreme Court giving us the majority to win Heller and McDonald, the AWB was allowed to expire and much pro-RKBA legislation progress was made during his administration. All his actions were pro-2A and that was the end of any successes of the Democrats gun control agenda.

Romney/Ryan and the Republican record, positions and platform are more pro-2A than Bush and we can expect even better results. They are campaigning on dismantling Obama's anti-2A actions in the UN and on the Southern border, appointing a new Attorney General and making sure Fast and Furious is actually investigated and prosecuted, stopping the abuses of the ATF, and appointing up to four more pro-RKBA Supreme Court Justices.
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The message we want to send is if any politician abuses our RKBA their actions will be fought and they will be fired by voters. I agree that no group watches better and carries more weight than the NRA.

GW Bush was often categorized as anti-2A but he appointed two pro-RKBA Justices to the Supreme Court giving us the majority to win Heller and McDonald, the AWB was allowed to expire and much pro-RKBA legislation progress was made during his administration. All his actions were pro-2A and that was the end of any successes of the Democrats gun control agenda.

Romney/Ryan and the Republican record, positions and platform are more pro-2A than Bush and we can expect even better results. They are campaigning on dismantling Obama's anti-2A actions in the UN and on the Southern border, appointing a new Attorney General and making sure Fast and Furious is actually investigated and prosecuted, stopping the abuses of the ATF, and appointing up to four more pro-RKBA Supreme Court Justices.
He got elected Governor of Texas because he said he would sign a ahall issue concealed handgun bill. His VERY anti-gun opponent, Ann Richards, said Texans were too stupid to know about carrying concealed weapions.
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no he won't.

ETA: if you go back 4 years, you'll see I told the McCainovics that the first thing Obama, Pelosi, and Reid would do, was NOT a gun ban. They called me about every name in the book, but I was right. I said then Obama will in a second term, but not a first.

I don't think Romney will in a second term.

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NRA- If obama gets a second term it Katie bar the door concerning our gun rights.

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Don't you mean well spun?
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That's because Romney’s pro-2A position had to be “under the radar”.

It was the only way to get the MA legislature (85% strictly anti-2A) to actually politically cooperate with Romney and GOAL's pro-2A agenda. That's politics in MA.

So did Romney say one thing and do another? To protect the RKBA - absolutely.

Would he do the same thing as President? If he was facing a majority anti-2A congress -absolutely.

Would he reveal his strategy to the gun control crowd? -absolutely not.

What if he was facing a pro-2A congress or minority anti-2A congress? - he wouldn't have to use this strategy - he would just be straight out pro-2A.

How do we know all this for certain? By his record. What politicians do is more important, and revealing, than what they need to say to get it done.

Romney's record clearly shows, in the face of a veto-proof majority anti-2A congress, he only reduced gun control, removed gun control from bills or signed pro-2A bills. The strength of his character on the 2A is very encouraging for gun owners.

Bush made the same kind of statements and achieved similar pro-2A success. It's the only pro-2A strategy that works when dealing with a majority of obstructionist anti-2A legislators.

Ruble understands "under the radar" because that's been Obama's anti-2A agenda. Obama makes pro-2A statements but all his actions are anti-2A. Ruble has made it abudently clear - on all the threads he's high jacked - he's OK with Obama's attacks on the RKBA. He's only "outraged" at Romney's pro-2A record. So we know Ruble is a hypocrite and not looking out for the interests of gun owners.
You're pretty good at spin, I would say that you are on par with MSNBC, ABC, CNN. You should get a job at the Boston Globe.

It's a bird..It's a plane..It's mitt romney in Stealth Mode.Sneaking under the radar, Mitt Romney, in a parallel universe far, far away, where banning guns is actually supporting the 2nd amendment, signed an assault weapons ban to confuse and distract the gun banning crowd. Working feverishly while undercover Mitt further fooled the gun banners by distancing himself from the NRA and embracing the Brady campaign.
Now that he has emerged from the liberal stronghold, victorious in his deception and achieved the national spotlight, the dangerous game mouse hunter Mitt has shed
his stealth armor, no longer needing to act in Stealth Modeor work under the radar and has now embraced the guns, those dangerous guns of exceptional lethality, that he vowed to keep off the streets.

Tune in next week when Acujeff explains how Mitt foiled the evil Scary Reed and the dastardly Fancy Pants Pelosi by bringing socialized medicine to America, dangling it like a carrot in front of their noses, knowing that they couldn't resist the poison treat and would adopt a nearly identical plan which would bring about the downfall of their wonder boy messiah, Barack Obama.
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