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Old 09-25-2012, 00:13   #1
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For drills, how often do you use full power 10mm?

For drills, about what % of your rounds are full power 10mm?

I'm sure drilling with 22/9/40 is better than just doing dry fire drills but about how often should one practice with full power loads?

I can generally practice with 22 and have minimal issues when shooting normal 9 (not +p or +p+). I'm wondering if drilling 22, 9 and weak 10 won't be adequate for full strenght 10. I guess I'll find out soon enough.

I've only shot weak 10 (Remington UMC?) thru my 1006.

My 1006 is basically a range gun but I'm picking up a G20 which I plan to to use as my backup to my shotgun. My G17L is being moved from backup to "cheap trainer".

(I don't plan to get a 40sw barrel for the G20.....just use the G17L for drills on the cheap)

Ideally, I'd only train with full power 10mm but it will be a while till I have money/space for a reloader.

Tnx in advance!

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Old 09-25-2012, 14:38   #2
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I agree it's best to train with full power 10mm if that's what your self defense load will be. Cost is the only thing preventing me from shooting my 10mm more with full power loads. I started shooting 40sw out of my 10mm but that's a whole 'nother thread. Point is I am shooting the same gun with same trigger, sights, weight, grip ect. So even though the recoil is night and day difference I think training with low power rounds still has value.

After shooting about fifty 40sw rounds I load up a mag with full power 10mm just so I don't forget what it feels like.

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Old 09-25-2012, 14:48   #3
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All the time, I twist my own.
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Old 09-25-2012, 15:03   #4
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All the time, I twist my own.

Your a smart Guy! Agree
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Old 09-25-2012, 15:30   #5
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Ideally, you should train with what you carry. However, if expense or availability limits your training, use what you have available. Less training is less training. More is almost always better, even if it means using less powerful rounds, or different weapons altogether. If you have several weapons available to you, a situation may determine which you use, and not necessarily which you choose to designate. Become proficient with all you have, and this conversation becomes moot.

Train with what is ideal, then train some more with whatever you have, or might have, in any situation. You cannot know when you may need a backup for your backup.
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Old 09-25-2012, 16:04   #6
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All the time, I twist my own.
This. I couldn't afford to shoot the 10 if Ii didn't,but I can afford to load full power.
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Old 09-25-2012, 18:33   #7
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U mean there is something else besides full power? Well I don't shoot full power. I only shoot nukes. Lol. If I am taking the time to reload then I might as well make it worth it.
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Old 09-25-2012, 19:26   #8
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I don't carry "full power" 10mm for in town. All things considered, I do not believe that full power 10mm is required. I carried a handloaded 165 gr GDHP for a few years, but now just carry good-ol' factory Silvertips.

So in that sense, my everyday range fodder is nearly identical in strength to my carry load - if a bit higher in ME.

I do run a full-strength load for mountain carry though.
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Old 09-25-2012, 22:41   #9
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Taterhead - Good point! I forgot that a lot of people have to deal with threats that have 4 legs.
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Old 09-26-2012, 00:28   #10
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whats the point in drilling if you dont do it with a full power load?
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Old 09-26-2012, 01:35   #11
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Training/drilling with your normal SD load would be ideal.

I don't reload yet and just the weak 10mm is $33 for 50rds.

I'm not rich so I mostly train with 22 and 9. Not ideal but it allows me to train/drill.

I talked to my buddy today and he will let me borrow his old press. I just need to make some space and to learn how to roll my own.
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Old 09-26-2012, 02:53   #12
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Yep, if you roll your own it helps a lot. Casting helps too, as does finding loading components for cheap wherever you can. My cheap loads cost me around $1 a box, and my good ones cost about $3/50, though I have about an hour into each box of ammo. I haven't used anything but the full power stuff for a long time.

The best I could do before learning to cast was about $5.50/50 using components I got deals on, but even $10/50 is a lot better than $30! Get to it, everybody is more than happy to help if you have questions!

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Yep, if you roll your own it helps a lot. Casting helps too, as does finding loading components for cheap wherever you can. My cheap loads cost me around $1 a box, and my good ones cost about $3/50, though I have about an hour into each box of ammo. I haven't used anything but the full power stuff for a long time.

The best I could do before learning to cast was about $5.50/50 using components I got deals on, but even $10/50 is a lot better than $30! Get to it, everybody is more than happy to help if you have questions!
How about some nice nasty 200Gr swaged bullets using annealed 9mm casings
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Old 09-26-2012, 18:22   #14
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What!!!!???

Full power all the time. Thats why i got the 10mm. otherwise would of went with the 40 short and weak! muahahahahaha
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Old 09-27-2012, 06:20   #15
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none, I don't a 10mm anymore
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Old 10-06-2012, 14:10   #16
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All the time, I twist my own.
I have only one load 200 grain XTP, 13.0 grains of AA"9. Full power rounds all the time in 10mm, 45 ACP and 44 Mag
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Old 10-06-2012, 15:52   #17
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All ways use book max or above ammo in my G20. Always!!! Period.

It's a G20 ,,, not a worthless 22 or 17....................
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Old 10-07-2012, 01:25   #18
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Well I picked up my G20 and am just waiting to get our rental unit occupied so I can go out to the range and compare against my 1006 before I sell off the 1006.

My friend hasn't used his reloader in like 2 years so I'm sure he won't mind me holding on to it for awhile.

Now I need to get the reloading supplies and the books so I don't have use that Remington UMC junk........

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Old 10-07-2012, 10:00   #19
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When I go to the range the first mag I shoot is the mag in my G20 SF loaded with Underwood 180 XTP's because I want to know the "what if" factor of my carry ammo. Then I go to PMC, Remington, Winchester Silvertips, GA 180's GDHP. I then shoot more Underwood, all 180's. About one third of my range shooting is Underwood 180 gr. at 1300 fps. I never trust any ammo (or pistol for that matter) until it proves itself to me. So far no problems with any of the above ammo or the G20 SF. I don't reload but I have enough 10mm ammo that I know I won't run out anytime soon. I have confidence in all my ammo and my pistol and this ranks above monetary concerns.
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Old 10-07-2012, 15:31   #20
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Wow.......I am poorer than I thought. Or really cheap.....probably both.

I know a lot of the other guys at our events only use 9 or 45 all the time but some of them are pretty crap. If you didn't see them shoot and only heard them talking, you'd think they were pretty decent.

I don't see why they don't spent more time on a 22 to build their fundamentals. I swear there was one guy that missed a 2x3 cardboard target from about 5-7yards away with a SG......I'm talking the whole mag tube......the target was untouched after 5 -6 shots.

I thought maybe I was looking at the wrong target but my buddy saw it too and confirmed that the other nearest target was being shot by another guy and had only 5 holes or so. Fellow was so embarrassed, he hasn't come back. The other guys were pretty nice, pretended they didn't notice it and no one heckled him. (If it were my buddy.....we would never let him forget....probably give him a cute nickname & mail him fliers for Lasik)

I usually start all my drills with a 22 and progress up. Off hand, one hand, one hand while using a handheld light, kneeling, lying, tactical reloads, transitioning etc.....starts with the 22 till I'm fairly accurate/comfortable.

Also, how often do you folks do drills or are you only doing "target" shooting (same hand/same stance)? I only go to the range about once a quarter due to work/family.
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