GlockTalk.com
Home Forums Classifieds Blogs Today's Posts Search Social Groups



  
SIGN-UP
Notices

Glock Talk
Welcome To The Glock Talk Forums.

 
  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-02-2012, 08:14   #1
pistolcompetitor
Senior Member
 
pistolcompetitor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Pacific NW
Posts: 124
How about some new divisions?

I sent this e-mail to glock.us but I'm wondering if anyone's shot with something other than their strong, two-hand grip. Anyone tried, one hand, weak hand shooting, or even mirror image? Obviously it's not to win the match, but to challenge yourself with your shooting skills.

Would be nice, though for GSSF to create these divisions, so that people can see how they do against others who choose to do it the same way. The only way to do a weak hand division is that the person will have had to have shot a regular division, so that GSSF can know the difference. Everybody wins though-- more fun, more range time, a little more $ for GSSF. More time for the RO's, but I'm always appreciative of that FWIW.
pistolcompetitor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2012, 08:33   #2
S.Kargoh
Senior Member
 
S.Kargoh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: WA
Posts: 446



Done it one handed with strong hand (vid above ,Bremerton match 21012, master stock score 117.xx )

And two handed with weak hand (portland 2011 comp div).

Last edited by S.Kargoh; 10-02-2012 at 08:41..
S.Kargoh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2012, 15:30   #3
Don At PC
Senior Member
 
Don At PC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1998
Location: Panama City, Florida USA
Posts: 6,742
I would be totally against your suggestion for GSSF. My reasons are:
1. Too many folks already who do NOT know the basic safe handling of a weapon.
2. Too many folks already who do NOT know how handle or manipulate a weapon.

I worked the recent Conyers Match and I observed/corrected folks who:
1. Just did not want to wear eye protection on the active range.
2. Pulled their weapon out of their range bag well behind the sign-in table and then proceeded to walk up to the line with their weapon in hand like it was a piece of candy being offered to everyone.
3. Folks who didn't know how to lock the slide open, didn't know how to take a mag out, didn't know they couldn't load 15 rounds in the gun and shoot all 15.

Let me also state that these were not KIDS learning to shoot, they were adults ranging from mid 20's to late 60's. Until folks shooting GSSF Matches show more responsibility for Basic SAFE gun handling and the coarse rules which are located almost everywhere we do not need any additional accidents waiting for a place to happen. I love shooting GSSF and work several matches every year but in the last couple years I have seen an increase of too many folks who jjust don't belong in a competition with several hundred other competitors with a deadly weapon in their possession. I know we have a lot of new shooters who have to learn but knowledge of Basic Safety should be First before they compete.

Don
__________________
Team Carver Custom
GSSF Life Member
Steel Challenge, USPSA
NRA Benefactor Life Member
Retired A.F. Chief 1961-1991
Don At PC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2012, 15:59   #4
mike g35
Senior Member
 
mike g35's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Charleston W.V.
Posts: 2,255
Quote:
Originally Posted by Don At PC View Post
I would be totally against your suggestion for GSSF. My reasons are:
1. Too many folks already who do NOT know the basic safe handling of a weapon.
2. Too many folks already who do NOT know how handle or manipulate a weapon.

I worked the recent Conyers Match and I observed/corrected folks who:
1. Just did not want to wear eye protection on the active range.
2. Pulled their weapon out of their range bag well behind the sign-in table and then proceeded to walk up to the line with their weapon in hand like it was a piece of candy being offered to everyone.
3. Folks who didn't know how to lock the slide open, didn't know how to take a mag out, didn't know they couldn't load 15 rounds in the gun and shoot all 15.

Let me also state that these were not KIDS learning to shoot, they were adults ranging from mid 20's to late 60's. Until folks shooting GSSF Matches show more responsibility for Basic SAFE gun handling and the coarse rules which are located almost everywhere we do not need any additional accidents waiting for a place to happen. I love shooting GSSF and work several matches every year but in the last couple years I have seen an increase of too many folks who jjust don't belong in a competition with several hundred other competitors with a deadly weapon in their possession. I know we have a lot of new shooters who have to learn but knowledge of Basic Safety should be First before they compete.

Don
^^^ This. Well said Don.




Outdoor Hub mobile, the outdoor information engine
__________________
Firearms sales rep for ASR / Modern Firearms
mike g35 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2012, 16:00   #5
unclebob
Senior Member
 
unclebob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Mary Esther FL
Posts: 6,951
To add what Don wrote. We also had one that did not even know in what direction to put the magazine in the gun. No it was not nerves.
Also had one individual even after repeated warnings to watch his direction of point the muzzle. Turned to me and said it wasnt loaded.
__________________
Team Carver Custom
NRA Certified Instructor
NRA Benefactor Life Member
GSSF Life Member
___________________________________________
unclebob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2012, 16:05   #6
ron59
Bustin Caps
 
ron59's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: near Atlanta, GA
Posts: 6,813
Let's add some other new divisions, I have a few suggestions too:

1. Shooting while balancing a pickle on your head
2. Shooting while drinking a shot of J.D. between strings of fire
3. Standing on one leg while wearing a pink tu tu

Nah, let's just stick with what GSSF has, they make good sense to me.
__________________
Ron M. ('59 is my birth year)

Quote:
WTF?! How a cheap can an old, the old fart get?!

Last edited by ron59; 10-02-2012 at 16:06..
ron59 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2012, 16:08   #7
S.Kargoh
Senior Member
 
S.Kargoh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: WA
Posts: 446
Safety is paramount. Everyone is responsible for safety-- beginners, other competitors, range officials.

This does not change regardless of number of hands used.


The end.
S.Kargoh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2012, 16:50   #8
ede
Bama's Friend
 
ede's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: L.A.
Posts: 10,148
Quote:
Originally Posted by ron59 View Post
Let's add some other new divisions, I have a few suggestions too:

1. Shooting while balancing a pickle on your head
2. Shooting while drinking a shot of J.D. between strings of fire
3. Standing on one leg while wearing a pink tu tu

Nah, let's just stick with what GSSF has, they make good sense to me.
Ron's it's guys like you that stick to the "that's the way we always did it" line. You need to be a little more progressive thinking.
I'd like to see a division where the shooter needs to run 3 miles and then step up to the line and shoot. I bet that would cut down on entries and wait times to shoot.
__________________
Team CARVER Custom
GSSF & NRA Life Member
Steel Challenge, USPSA
PM Black Diamond 538 F&AM
Bamatrooper taught Chuck Norris how to shoot.
ede is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2012, 17:30   #9
ron59
Bustin Caps
 
ron59's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: near Atlanta, GA
Posts: 6,813
Quote:
Originally Posted by ede View Post
Ron's it's guys like you that stick to the "that's the way we always did it" line. You need to be a little more progressive thinking.
I'd like to see a division where the shooter needs to run 3 miles and then step up to the line and shoot. I bet that would cut down on entries and wait times to shoot.
I like your thinking Ed.
__________________
Ron M. ('59 is my birth year)

Quote:
WTF?! How a cheap can an old, the old fart get?!
ron59 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2012, 19:12   #10
kyglockshooter 2.0
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 98
Quote:
Originally Posted by Don At PC View Post
I would be totally against your suggestion for GSSF. My reasons are:
1. Too many folks already who do NOT know the basic safe handling of a weapon.
2. Too many folks already who do NOT know how handle or manipulate a weapon.

I worked the recent Conyers Match and I observed/corrected folks who:
1. Just did not want to wear eye protection on the active range.
2. Pulled their weapon out of their range bag well behind the sign-in table and then proceeded to walk up to the line with their weapon in hand like it was a piece of candy being offered to everyone.
3. Folks who didn't know how to lock the slide open, didn't know how to take a mag out, didn't know they couldn't load 15 rounds in the gun and shoot all 15.

Let me also state that these were not KIDS learning to shoot, they were adults ranging from mid 20's to late 60's. Until folks shooting GSSF Matches show more responsibility for Basic SAFE gun handling and the coarse rules which are located almost everywhere we do not need any additional accidents waiting for a place to happen. I love shooting GSSF and work several matches every year but in the last couple years I have seen an increase of too many folks who jjust don't belong in a competition with several hundred other competitors with a deadly weapon in their possession. I know we have a lot of new shooters who have to learn but knowledge of Basic Safety should be First before they compete.

Don
I agree with your statement, at a match i was observing a guy with these cool sights and I was asking about them and he pulls the gun out of the holster (in the waiting area right after he got off the line) and handed it to his friend to walk to the truck to show me. I was unsure how to inform them of the massive rules they were breaking since im 20 and the gentlemen were my elders.

Also there was another incident where guys were clearly handling ammunition in the safe weapon zone. which again is a big no no. someone informed them of the no ammunition and they basically ignored him from my understanding. I'm not calling anyone out i let it remain anonymous for a reason, but these rules are there for yours and my safety. While you may not take your safety seriously, I do not take mine lightly if you cant follow the rules please do not attend. If your willing to do what is asked of you please attend.
kyglockshooter 2.0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2012, 22:18   #11
S.Kargoh
Senior Member
 
S.Kargoh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: WA
Posts: 446
So these safety concerns don't happen with two handed divisions? Itseema like the stories you've shared have nothing to do with firing grip. Rather general gun handling.
S.Kargoh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2012, 06:49   #12
lethal tupperwa
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Virginia
Posts: 11,338


just a BAD idea.

give it up.
__________________
Correctional and Therapeutic Mayhem Administrator EMERITUS

----------------------------------------

GLOCK CERTIFIED ARMORER
lethal tupperwa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2012, 07:53   #13
youngann
Pistol People
 
youngann's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Pa
Posts: 124
Personally, I'd like to see Heavy Metal go to 7 rounds in the gun. They could still keep major Sub as it is, but having the larger heavy guns with 7 rounds would sure save some money on ammo.
youngann is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2012, 08:24   #14
unclebob
Senior Member
 
unclebob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Mary Esther FL
Posts: 6,951
Quote:
Originally Posted by youngann View Post
Personally, I'd like to see Heavy Metal go to 7 rounds in the gun. They could still keep major Sub as it is, but having the larger heavy guns with 7 rounds would sure save some money on ammo.
No thanks. That is the reason I don't like and most of the time do not shoot Maj Sub.
__________________
Team Carver Custom
NRA Certified Instructor
NRA Benefactor Life Member
GSSF Life Member
___________________________________________
unclebob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2012, 08:31   #15
S.Kargoh
Senior Member
 
S.Kargoh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: WA
Posts: 446
Quote:
Originally Posted by lethal tupperwa View Post
just a BAD idea.

give it up.


Let me rephrase the question.

Is unsafe gunhandling ok, as long as the divisions are normal two-handed firing grip?
S.Kargoh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2012, 08:51   #16
pistolcompetitor
Senior Member
 
pistolcompetitor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Pacific NW
Posts: 124
Nice video, S. Kargoh. I'm obviously with you on this one.
pistolcompetitor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2012, 08:52   #17
legacy38
Senior Member
 
legacy38's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 1999
Posts: 656
I would prefer not to see division dilution.
legacy38 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2012, 09:15   #18
youngann
Pistol People
 
youngann's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Pa
Posts: 124
Quote:
Originally Posted by unclebob View Post
No thanks. That is the reason I don't like and most of the time do not shoot Maj Sub.
Yeah, it is scary facing 6 plates when you know you only have 7 rounds in the gun.

Last edited by youngann; 10-03-2012 at 09:15..
youngann is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2012, 09:32   #19
lethal tupperwa
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Virginia
Posts: 11,338


in the "old" days we only had 6
__________________
Correctional and Therapeutic Mayhem Administrator EMERITUS

----------------------------------------

GLOCK CERTIFIED ARMORER
lethal tupperwa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2012, 09:47   #20
youngann
Pistol People
 
youngann's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Pa
Posts: 124
Quote:
Originally Posted by lethal tupperwa View Post
in the "old" days we only had 6
Yikes...I'm glad I'm not 'quite' that old.
youngann is offline   Reply With Quote

 
  
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:08.




Homepage
FAQ
Forums
Calendar
Advertise
Gallery
GT Wiki
GT Blogs
Social Groups
Classifieds


Users Currently Online: 940
263 Members
677 Guests

Most users ever online: 2,672
Aug 11, 2014 at 2:31