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10-03-2012, 13:10
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Why the hate?
Seems like a lot of folks dislike Titegroup... Why?
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10-03-2012, 13:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RWE
Seems like a lot of folks dislike Titegroup... Why?
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Read the threads, it's pretty obvious but let's recap:
Uberfast burn rate means narrow load range
burns hotter than just about any powder
very small volume per charge wt, means it gets lost in larger cases, too easy to double
smokey w/ lead bullets
sooty @ low pressure
Pretty much covers it. The only thing it does well is be economical, but consider that powder is the cheapest part of the handgun load, it's a false economic gain IMO. 
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10-03-2012, 13:41
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Mmmm... Liver.
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That, and it doesn't have a very cool label.
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10-03-2012, 13:47
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I don't hate it, I have found better powders to use instead of TG.
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10-03-2012, 14:03
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It stinks too - but I like it fine.
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10-03-2012, 14:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombie Steve
That, and it doesn't have a very cool label.
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What Steve and Fred said
http://thegunzone.com/anaconda.html
One firearm lost to TG is just one too many.
Oh the Humanity! 
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Last edited by DoctaGlockta; 10-03-2012 at 14:08..
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10-03-2012, 14:34
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Not me self confessed TG whore use it for my 9mm FMJs loads 
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10-03-2012, 15:18
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Titegroup negatives are true. Besides all that it's a great powder. Seriously. If you just pay attention it is great for jacketed bullets.
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10-03-2012, 15:29
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I've used it since before everyone in the Internet told me not to. I still use it, I have a light mounted over my press to verify powder in case , if anything looks wrong I recheck.
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10-03-2012, 16:49
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It is Bloody FILTHY!!!
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10-03-2012, 17:32
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It's simple math
Titegroup+(careless*idiot)+(blown*up*gun) / excuses^2 = hate
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10-03-2012, 18:00
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Math is good.
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Steve
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Converting Hornady owners to Dillon
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10-03-2012, 20:21
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Mmmm... Liver.
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cooper rifleslockta;19481520]What Steve and Fred said
http://thegunzone.com/anaconda.html
One firearm lost to TG is just one too many.
Oh the Humanity! [/QUOTE]
Good Lord, someone thought tg was a good idea in magnums...
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10-03-2012, 20:34
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I use it in 9x19, 38 Special and 40. All with jacketed (124 JHP, 142 FMJ, 180 JHP) bullets.
9x19 and 38 Special are loaded to low to nice mid range loads. My 40 load is straight out of the book pushing a 180 gn bullet around 950 fps. Nothing crazy.
Good accuracy and somewhat clean burning. Clean when compared to other powders around the same burn rate.
I like it, but I dont push it either.
If you want rip snorting fast velocity, Titegroup is not the powder for you.
If you want to take little micro naps when reloading, Titegroup is not the powder for you.
I did not like it in 45 ACP, Clays or N310 for me there.
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10-03-2012, 21:00
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Have used TiteGroup for many years. Tried different powders and have gone back to TiteGroup for 9mm. Using a good light I have no problem seeing how much powder is in the case. Plus I use a powder check. Using a 650 press with the fail safe system it is almost impossible to get a double charge.
You want a dirty powder try REX.
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10-03-2012, 21:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombie Steve
cooper rifleslockta;19481520]
One firearm lost to TG is just one too many.
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So is it the powders fault or is it the reloaders fault? My money is on the reloader.
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10-03-2012, 21:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by unclebob
So is it the powders fault or is it the reloaders fault? My money is on the reloader.
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No doubt it's the guy pulling the handle but consider anything that causes the processs to be less safe is not a good thing. The idea of designing a powder to occupy so little space is absurd. If anything, uberfast powders should be more like TrailBoss, very high loft & one can see a full power charge in a cavernous 45colt case. Not Hodgdon's worst booboo though, that would be their names for the Clays line. Talk about confusing for noobs. 
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"Given adequate penetration, a larger diameter bullet will have an edge in wounding effectiveness. It will damage a blood vessel the smaller projectile barely misses. The larger permanent cavity may lead to faster blood loss. Although such an edge clearly exists, its significance cannot be quantified".
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10-03-2012, 21:37
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Thanks all, I appreciate it.
In looking at data for starting to load .40, I notice a few loads that have the same narrow load range. But Longshot spans 1.5 grains! Of the 145 powders rated, most mentioned regularly here and elsewhere for 9mm and 40 are in the top third to half in burn rate. Smoking lead? Hmmm... used something else for all those SWC in .38... Will def. consider that even though most of my shooting is outdoors.
I have been reloading shotshell, rifle, and revolver for... a long time. Picked up loading pistol in the past few years. Have used a couple powders and want to streamline, buy fewer and larger size containers.
I find TG clean actually, and accurate. Must be burning it all up at 4.1 grains in 9mm and .38. Maybe I am just doing it wrong.
Looking to start on 165 or 180 grain .40 and - I don't get married to this stuff but am a believer in "if it aint broke..." That said, open to options for "better" and "why" if you don't mind. What else would work for .38, 9mm, and .40?
Thanks again!
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10-03-2012, 22:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by unclebob
So is it the powders fault or is it the reloaders fault? My money is on the reloader.
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Adjust your detector.
You TG guys are even more sensitive than the Unique guys  .
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10-03-2012, 23:09
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OK let me rephrase the OP question, what is Titegroup good for?
I ask as I have a 1# can and a .40 and .45....
Where do I best apply it to rid the shelf of the space consumed by this powder I already bought?
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10-03-2012, 23:20
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Mmmm... Liver.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by unclebob
So is it the powders fault or is it the reloaders fault? My money is on the reloader.
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Easy, Hound Dog. You quoted the guy I quoted (and I somehow screwed it up), but it says my name. I'm just saying it's a bad idea for magnums...
Anyone what wants to push a ski boat with a trolling motor was probably asleep in physics class.
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10-03-2012, 23:20
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Mmmm... Liver.
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...and the label sucks.
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10-03-2012, 23:37
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It's generally considered very good in .40. Careful you might like it.
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Steve
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10-03-2012, 23:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombie Steve
...and the label sucks.
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As opposed to Unique, WSF, Solo 1000 or any number of stupid names.
Maybe we should call it "Grandmaster Gun Destroyer"
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Steve
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10-04-2012, 00:01
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Mmmm... Liver.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Colorado4Wheel
As opposed to Unique, WSF, Solo 1000 or any number of stupid names.
Maybe we should call it "Grandmaster Gun Destroyer"
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