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Old 10-03-2012, 10:54   #1
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Oh, how I miss...

Oh how I truley miss the days of "real" guns; when they were made of metal and wood. The 2nd and 3rd Gen Smiths, Pythons, real bluing on polished metal, Colts galore, and the only plastic to be had was the box they came in.

Ah, but those days are nearly gone and are all but a memory to those that really appreciate craftsmanship and their intrinsic beauty. Oh well. I buy 'em while I can and cherish the memories.
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:05   #2
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Take a look at the Sako M85 Bavarian.

I think that I'm gonna buy me one next year.
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Man, now that's a real gun. Beautiful wood and bluing.
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:34   #4
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Have to admit I'm a big fan of the older pistols and rifles .
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:52   #5
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Oh how I truley miss the days of "real" guns; when they were made of metal and wood. The 2nd and 3rd Gen Smiths, Pythons, real bluing on polished metal, Colts galore, and the only plastic to be had was the box they came in.

Ah, but those days are nearly gone and are all but a memory to those that really appreciate craftsmanship and their intrinsic beauty. Oh well. I buy 'em while I can and cherish the memories.

All the boxes were cardboard back then and nobody cared.
Glock was the first gun I bought that came in a plastic box.
Gen 2 17 1988.
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You get the point, never the less.
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Old 10-03-2012, 12:50   #7
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Having grown up in the days of bright polished Smiths and Colts, I can say we have it much better nowadays.

More choice, more features, much more reliable semi-autos. Plus finishes now actually protect the firearm as opposed to just looking good.

I do understand the nostalgia, but am glad newcomers came on strong to make the old players get off their ass's and innovate again.
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I hear you, love some of the wood and metal rifles and pistols of old. You can still find some of the newer mfg today that are built all metal and wood, like the Sig Elite line. Also some of the mid to higher end rifle co. still offer some nice wood stocks.
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All the boxes were cardboard back then and nobody cared.
Glock was the first gun I bought that came in a plastic box.
Gen 2 17 1988.
HK shipped P7s in hard plastic boxes, too. My '86 P7 come with the factory plastic box, complete with matching SN stamped into the plastic.
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HK shipped P7s in hard plastic boxes, too. My '86 P7 come with the factory plastic box, complete with matching SN stamped into the plastic.
'87 wasn't exactly what he was talking about.

General Firearms Forum

'62was more like it

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are all but a memory to those that really appreciate craftsmanship and their intrinsic beauty. Oh well. I buy 'em while I can and cherish the memories.
Each to his/her own. I can understand those who like wood and the hand polished, deep bluing but many if not most guns from today's top tier manufacturers are made to closer tolerances using higher strength materials than in the old days.

I prefer the strength and tolerances of things like my two S&W .500 Mags. Don
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Each to his/her own. I can understand those who like wood and the hand polished, deep bluing but many if not most guns from today's top tier manufacturers are made to closer tolerances using higher strength materials than in the old days.

I prefer the strength and tolerances of things like my two S&W .500 Mags. Don
I don't agree.

The metallurgy is better now, but there's no craftsmanship whatsoever unless you're talking high end 1911s.
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I don't agree.

The metallurgy is better now, but there's no craftsmanship whatsoever unless you're talking high end 1911s.
Disagree completely. Craftsmanship is tolerances and repeatability.

Hand fitting is just that, hand fitting. It doesn't equal quality or anything else, it just adds cost.
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I don't agree.

The metallurgy is better now, but there's no craftsmanship whatsoever unless you're talking high end 1911s.
Someone's got to make the dies for the injection molding
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Disagree completely. Craftsmanship is tolerances and repeatability.
I didn't say anything about tolerences. I was talking metallurgy.

I don't feel tolerences are any better today. I've got plenty of new guns and plenty of old guns to prove it.
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Disagree completely. Craftsmanship is tolerances and repeatability.

Hand fitting is just that, hand fitting. It doesn't equal quality or anything else, it just adds cost.
People learn and practice craftsmanship.

Machines don't have craftsmanship. I'm jess sayin'...
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People learn and practice craftsmanship.

Machines don't have craftsmanship. I'm jess sayin'...
Exactly my point

Unless you're putting out the money for a hand crafted gun (such as a high end 1911), what you're buying is completely machined these days.
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You can still get blued guns with fine wood furniture, you just have to pay for it. How is that any different than before?

I like the newer guns. Take an old style gun and carry it in the field, or in your wasteband, and it quickly looks like a used old gun. The blueing wears off, the steel rusts, and the wood gets banged up.

If anybody wants an old school gun that actually isn't that expensive, look at the Browning 22 Auto rifle. They are still in production and are beautiful.
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You can still get blued guns with fine wood furniture, you just have to pay for it. How is that any different than before?
In most cases, the cluing just isn't as nicely done these days. Its not because they can't, its because they don't.

The actions don't seem as smooth either, generally speaking.
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In most cases, the cluing just isn't as nicely done these days. Its not because they can't, its because they don't.

The actions don't seem as smooth either, generally speaking.
I don't know. We have a bunch of old SW revolvers at the club for training purposes and since they have not had any work done in terms of smoothing them up, they are no better than a GP100 out of it's box. Most of them are 10-5's and they aren't the kind of blue you want either, black just like the stuff you get today.
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Model 10s weren't exactly the flagships of the Smith line, but I feel the action is far better than any Ruger DA revolver. As far as I'm concerned. the stock Ruger action is about as poor as it gets on a main stream revolver.

Its just a matter of opinion, of course.
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Model 10s weren't exactly the flagships of the Smith line, but I feel the action is far better than any Ruger DA revolver. As far as I'm concerned. the stock Ruger action is about as poor as it gets on a main stream revolver.

Its just a matter of opinion, of course.
The restaurants down here suck, so I'll cook. Come down and try them out. They have been properly maintained, but not "worked", so they are just as they were out of the box whenever they were made. They've had lots of rounds shot through them over the decades so that should have smoothed them up some. There are ten of them I think and they all feel the same, about like a GP100.
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Disagree completely. Craftsmanship is tolerances and repeatability.

Hand fitting is just that, hand fitting. It doesn't equal quality or anything else, it just adds cost.
Couldnt disagree with you more. Machines dont have craftsmanship, people do. You want proof? Go get a pristine S&W from 30 years ago, and get the same model today. Sit with them side by side. If you can tell me that they new one is better, fit better, and better quality, then I will tell you that you have no idea what you are talking about.
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The restaurants down here suck, so I'll cook. Come down and try them out. They have been properly maintained, but not "worked", so they are just as they were out of the box whenever they were made. They've had lots of rounds shot through them over the decades so that should have smoothed them up some. There are ten of them I think and they all feel the same, about like a GP100.
That's cool

I've got a couple model 10s and a bunch of Ruger DA revolvers, including a GP. I don't feel the Rugers feel anything like the Smiths. Again, it's just a matter of opinion.
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Shot two guns for the first time today since buying them.

Walther PPQ, as modern as they come in most ways.

IWI Baby Desert Eagle, big ole hunk of steel, a throw back in many ways to older guns.

Both shot well (gonna do a post on them tomorrow) but the Desert Eagle was way more fun to shoot and shot better for me. As a 1911 type guy I just like a little heft to my guns I guess, I kinda like a little "junk in the trunk" in my women too
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