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Old 10-03-2012, 17:18   #21
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I guess I've spaced it...but what was it that "U.S.S.R." stood for? I mean, I know they were communists, I know the bloodspill and misery they caused worldwide, but what did the abbreviation stand for?

Oh, yeah...Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. As was noted above, a "socialist" is a communist who hasn't murdered anybody yet.
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Old 10-03-2012, 17:38   #22
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Like we had McCarthyism in the 50s, I'm noticing that the new trend in popular demagoguery is to call someone you don't agree with a Marxist or a socialist (these are actually two totally different, but loosely related concepts). This is usually a sign that you are talking to someone who has no idea what socialism really is, and in 99% of the cases has never actually been to a socialist country.

I've been to a socialist country. We are SO SO far away from socialism.
Marxist, Communist, Socialist –These are extreme words to be avoided unless the descriptive fits; and in the case of Obama, and his staff members Valerie Jarrett and David Axelrod it fits.

These are children of Communist Party members; Red Diaper Babies.

60 years ago these folks would have a thick FBI file and if in a position of power would have to change their name to find work or leave the Country.
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Old 10-03-2012, 18:04   #23
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...in the case of Obama, and his staff members Valerie Jarrett and David Axelrod it fits.

These are children of Communist Party members; Red Diaper Babies.
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Old 10-03-2012, 18:55   #24
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Interesting... Some economical utopical theory exist, and USSR didn't use it, and this is what... bad thing?
I don't care, whatever you name it, but theory, that was used in USSR in 30-40s, was highly effective. When in hardest of conditions of the war, when half of industrial therritory was lost to enemy, industry of Soviet Union could overcome Germany an the whole industry of occupied Europe, and produce more tanks, aeroplanes and etc, and better quality, then the Axis, we can say; "Whatever you name it, that bolsheviks build, it works very good".
Then came trotskist Khruschov and all start slowly moving to wrong direction.... like today's US...
Pay no attention to Lenin's and Stalin's extensive use of slave labor in the Gulag to help their economy stay afloat. Nothing to see here.
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Old 10-03-2012, 19:00   #25
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A socialist is a communist that hasn't murdered yet.
Yeah, that's why our Dear Leader's callous/sociopathic reference to an ambassador and two SEAL's being massacred on the anniversary of 9/11 as just a bump in the road is very disturbing and should heavily factor into forming a proportional response plan to his potential re-election.
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Old 10-03-2012, 19:15   #26
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Yeah, that's why our Dear Leader's callous/sociopathic reference to an ambassador and two SEAL's being massacred on the anniversary of 9/11 as just a bump in the road is very disturbing and should heavily factor into forming a proportional response plan to his potential re-election.
Well it's not as though this President's policies have led to the deaths of hundreds of Mexicans or a Border Patrol Agent or two. Oh, wait. Never mind.
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Old 10-03-2012, 19:17   #27
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Pay no attention to Lenin's and Stalin's extensive use of slave labor in the Gulag to help their economy stay afloat. Nothing to see here.
Oi, wey!... Can you imagine, that figure of Gulag prisoners at the pick was almost the same, as figure of prisoners of jail system in USA NOW? Hard to believe? Understood, years of education by liberal media and liberal historians. And figure of 100 million of soviet victims, I saw here is sign of historical ignorance about russian history among americans that border with lunacy...
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Oi, wey!... Can you imagine, that figure of Gulag prisoners at the pick was almost the same, as figure of prisoners of jail system in USA NOW? Hard to believe? Understood, years of education by liberal media and liberal historians. And figure of 100 million of soviet victims, I saw here is sign of historical ignorance about russian history among americans that border with lunacy...
If you are so ignorant of history as to compare the United States criminal justice system with the Soviet Gulag then I cannot help you. I am embarrassed for you, in fact. Your education was an abject failure. I use direct Soviet sources to gain insight into the Gulag. You use Soviet propaganda. I will stick with historical fact, you can while away your time in a Stalinist fantasyland. Had you spent any time in the Gulag you'd be singing a different tune.
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Old 10-03-2012, 20:02   #29
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Oi, wey!... Can you imagine, that figure of Gulag prisoners at the pick was almost the same, as figure of prisoners of jail system in USA NOW? Hard to believe? Understood, years of education by liberal media and liberal historians. And figure of 100 million of soviet victims, I saw here is sign of historical ignorance about russian history among americans that border with lunacy...
I said the combined deaths of Lenin, Stalin and Mao. Combined. I'll quote myself and bold the important part.

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I can't believe that there are people who are nostalgic for leaders like Lenin, Stalin and Mao, who combined, killed 100's millions of their own people though their theories and all but ignore that little inconvenient truth. Amazing.
Since you consider me ignorant on Russian history and you're feeling nostalgic for Communism, please enlighten me on the actual numbers of victims under the great humanitarian, Stalin. Mao and Lenin, too, please.

Since we'll probably never know the exact number, it's OK to round to the nearest million.

What was Hitler's death toll? A "paltry", by comparison, 6-7 million?
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Old 10-03-2012, 23:25   #30
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What was Hitler's death toll? A "paltry", by comparison, 6-7 million?
That's nice... For people, who like to throw moronic figures of hundreds of millions killed by Stalin personally, I can say - Hitler killed about 55 millions. That's the toll of WWII, that he started. How do you like this method of counting? And by the way, should I add to guilty party people who helped Hitler to rice his Third Reich, rulers of England an France?
And Chikatillo killed only something like dozen women, why bother to even put him under trial?
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Old 10-03-2012, 23:50   #31
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That's nice... For people, who like to throw moronic figures of hundreds of millions killed by Stalin personally, I can say - Hitler killed about 55 millions. That's the toll of WWII, that he started. How do you like this method of counting? And by the way, should I add to guilty party people who helped Hitler to rice his Third Reich, rulers of England an France?
And Chikatillo killed only something like dozen women, why bother to even put him under trial?
OK so you want to deflect from Stalins killing of his own people. Got it. They didn't count because it was for "The right reasons" I suppose, he was still a great leader
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That's nice... For people, who like to throw moronic figures of hundreds of millions killed by Stalin personally, I can say - Hitler killed about 55 millions. That's the toll of WWII, that he started. How do you like this method of counting? And by the way, should I add to guilty party people who helped Hitler to rice his Third Reich, rulers of England an France?
And Chikatillo killed only something like dozen women, why bother to even put him under trial?
You call my figures moronic, OK. So how many Russians died under Stalinism from the purges, the famines? Set the record straight - I don't want to misrepresent the humanitarian that was Stalin.
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I find it amusing that the single remaining topic of conversation on this thread is whether Stalin was a genocidal maniac or not...

The OP post had so much fail, and was so thoroughly discredited, that it is a mere afterthought at this point.


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Well it's not as though this President's policies have led to the deaths of hundreds of Mexicans or a Border Patrol Agent or two. Oh, wait. Never mind.
Yeah, there's also that...may as well consider them American citizens who hadn't moved here yet. That policy is particularly bad since it was intentionally designed to not track weapons except by tracing serial numbers of ones found at crime scenes. Gun violence is unacceptable, unless it involves brown people. Environmental protections against oil companies are critical, unless it involves brown people.


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I find it amusing that the single remaining topic of conversation on this thread is whether Stalin was a genocidal maniac or not...

The OP post had so much fail, and was so thoroughly discredited, that it is a mere afterthought at this point. :cool
Yes, criticizing people for criticizing people who believe in failed political theories.
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So how many Russians died under Stalinism from the purges, the famines? Set the record straight - I don't want to misrepresent the humanitarian that was Stalin.
You know, I read somewhere , that 100 millions of africans died as result of slave trade, and 100 millions of indians died as result of genocide... Must be true... Cos'... you know...it's in the books. That means that US killed twice more people, then Stalin...

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Marxist, Communist, Socialist –These are extreme words to be avoided unless the descriptive fits; and in the case of Obama, and his staff members Valerie Jarrett and David Axelrod it fits.

These are children of Communist Party members; Red Diaper Babies.

60 years ago these folks would have a thick FBI file and if in a position of power would have to change their name to find work or leave the Country.
Yep

Socialism by definition is just a midstep....

Definition of socialism (n)

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so·cial·ism
[ sṓshə lìzəm ]

political system of communal ownership: a political theory or system in which the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principles
movement based on socialism: a political movement based on principles of socialism, typically advocating an end to private property and to the exploitation of workers
stage between capitalism and communism: in Marxist theory, the stage after the proletarian revolution when a society is changing from capitalism to communism


Both are hell, and were the History of the world until the Constitution of the USA, which opened the door for the greatest economic engine EVER KNOWN.
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Marxist, Communist, Socialist –These are extreme words to be avoided unless the descriptive fits; and in the case of Obama, and his staff members Valerie Jarrett and David Axelrod it fits.

These are children of Communist Party members; Red Diaper Babies.

60 years ago these folks would have a thick FBI file and if in a position of power would have to change their name to find work or leave the Country.
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Socialism by definition is just a midstep....

Definition of socialism (n)

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1. political system of communal ownership: a political theory or system in which the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principles
2. movement based on socialism: a political movement based on principles of socialism, typically advocating an end to private property and to the exploitation of workers
3. stage between capitalism and communism: in Marxist theory, the stage after the proletarian revolution when a society is changing from capitalism to communism


Both are hell, and were the History of the world until the Constitution of the USA, which opened the door for the greatest economic engine EVER KNOWN.
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You know, I read somewhere , that 100 millions of africans died as result of slave trade, and 100 millions of indians died as result of genocide... Must be true... Cos'... you know...it's in the books. That means that US killed twice more people, then Stalin...
So, you don't have an answer, then. OK. That tells me everything I need to know about you.
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Old 10-04-2012, 12:42   #39
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You know, I read somewhere , that 100 millions of africans died as result of slave trade, and 100 millions of indians died as result of genocide... Must be true... Cos'... you know...it's in the books. That means that US killed twice more people, then Stalin...
Just out of curiosity, and since I am part Indian and am a minor student of history, could you please tell me what books you have read that claim "100 millions of indians died as a result of genocide"?

I am really curious about this factoid that I have missed in 40 years of studying that side of my family tree. I was unaware that there ever were 100s of millions of Indians TO be killed.

If you would please give those citations I would be grateful
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You know, I read somewhere , that 100 millions of africans died as result of slave trade, and 100 millions of indians died as result of genocide... Must be true... Cos'... you know...it's in the books. That means that US killed twice more people, then Stalin...
Another strawman. You claim the numbers posted about Communism are moronic - What do your posted numbers about indians and slaves say about you?

You also make the claim that I'm ignorant about Russian history, perhaps you could show us how superior your historical knowledge is buy answering how many died as a result of the Stalinism you're so nostalgic for?

It's as simple question for someone who knows Russian history as well as you claim.
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