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Old 10-03-2012, 12:34   #21
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You don't think I'm right about Romney signing an AWB? How is that possible, when the law is there online for you to read?
then Vote Obama if politics seems that simple to you, no one is stopping you. The race is between the two, pick one
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Old 10-03-2012, 13:44   #22
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We are talking about candidates that are actually in the race.
he is. it's ok for you think other wise. some folks only know what cnn, fox and rush tell them.
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Old 10-03-2012, 14:10   #23
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he is. it's ok for you think other wise. some folks only know what cnn, fox and rush tell them.

Heck, by your standards, my barber is in the race if enough people would write him in. It's the country's fault if they don't elect my barber
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Old 10-03-2012, 15:33   #24
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[QUOTE=Gundude;19480887]My claim was backed up by links to the bills themselves. Your AWB was set to become unenforceable, not to expire, in 2004. The bill Romney signed fixed that to make sure it stays enforceable. That is crystal clear from the text of the law. Nothing you or GOAL say can change that.

Your claims don't link to the bills themselves, but to a biased organization which is interested in making itself look like it accomplished more than it has. If you refuse to believe that the text of the law says what it says, you are in the same realm as those who refuse to believe Obama's BC says what it says. That level of obvious denial and delusion only serves to cast a cloud over those who have legitimate criticism or defense of the candidates.[QUOTE]



Gundude, you are not only a hypocrite but also a liar. Here are some other threads Gundude high jacked with the same nonsense:

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show...8#post19102478

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthre...1#post19354819


You have never proved anything. You have made up false facts and interpretations. Nobody on GT has posted they agree with your 'facts", only that you are getting it wrong.

As for your obtuse proof that Romney is supposedly anti-2A, you argued in previous threads that the MA AWB that Romney amended (and made less strict) in 2004 "depended" on the Fed AWB to exist. Your ridiculous premise being the MA AWB depended on the Fed AWB and should have become unenforceable in 2004 when the Fed AWB expired.

I provided the links and correctly demonstrated in the law that the 1998 MA AWB only "referenced" the Fed AWB and existed independently, and permanently, before Romney was Gov of MA. The fact is, if Romney didn't amend the MA AWB in 2004 the original, and more strict version, would still be in effect today.

Here’s the entire 1998 CHAPTER 180 AN ACT RELATIVE TO GUN CONTROL IN THE COMMONWEALTH OF MA

http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/Se...998/Chapter180

If you actually read the law it is clear that this ban did not rely on the federal language, was not tied to the federal AWB and contained no sunset clause. The expiration of the Fed AWB in 2004 did not get rid of MA's own permanent AWB.

Here is the amended law:
CHAPTER 150 AN ACT FURTHER REGULATING CERTAIN WEAPONS
http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/Se...004/Chapter150

Romney's record shows that when it was politically expedient to be pro gun control with a veto proof strict gun control Democrat congress, his actions show the opposite. Romney has only reduced gun control, removed anti-2A language from bills, or signed pro-2A bills into effect.

Romney‘s entire record:
http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html

It's up to individual gun owners to get the facts and make sure we're not scammed into giving Obama another term.
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Old 10-03-2012, 15:37   #25
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We are talking about candidates that are actually in the race.
I wish D.Medvedev could be in the race, he like guns:
http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Re...P_3_RUSSIA.JPG
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Old 10-03-2012, 18:20   #26
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Gundude, you are not only a hypocrite but also a liar. Here are some other threads Gundude high jacked with the same nonsense:

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show...8#post19102478

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthre...1#post19354819


You have never proved anything. You have made up false facts and interpretations. Nobody on GT has posted they agree with your 'facts", only that you are getting it wrong.
I'll put the text of the bill up against everybody on GT any day of the week. Whether anybody on GT agrees or not means nothing. The law says what it says. Everybody on GT combined can't change that.
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Old 10-03-2012, 18:22   #27
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Here is the amended law:
CHAPTER 150 AN ACT FURTHER REGULATING CERTAIN WEAPONS
http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/Se...004/Chapter150
What is the purpose of SECTION 1 of that amended law?:
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SECTION 1. Section 121 of chapter 140 of the General Laws, as appearing in the 2002 Official Edition, is hereby amended by inserting after the figure "(30)", in line 11, the following words:- as appearing in such section on September 13, 1994.
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Old 10-03-2012, 22:18   #28
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Gundude, you are a hypocrite, liar and delusional. Gun owners who were here and involved in these issues in MA know you're totally wrong.

I've posted my analysis and documentation as well as previous threads answering your false allegations. Folks can reference them if they want to follow you down the rabbit hole.

As far as I am concerned you are desperately and purposely trying to scam gun owners to give Obama a 2nd term. It reinforces that covering up Obama's awful record and misrepresenting Romney's record is the only strategy of the Obama campaign, that you cannot defend Obama anti-2A record and that only Obama is the real threat to gun owners.
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Old 10-04-2012, 09:48   #29
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Gundude, you are a hypocrite, liar and delusional. Gun owners who were here and involved in these issues in MA know you're totally wrong.

I've posted my analysis and documentation as well as previous threads answering your false allegations. Folks can reference them if they want to follow you down the rabbit hole.

As far as I am concerned you are desperately and purposely trying to scam gun owners to give Obama a 2nd term. It reinforces that covering up Obama's awful record and misrepresenting Romney's record is the only strategy of the Obama campaign, that you cannot defend Obama anti-2A record and that only Obama is the real threat to gun owners.
Since you were there and involved in the issues, can you answer this one question?:

What is the purpose of SECTION 1 of the law Romney signed?
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SECTION 1. Section 121 of chapter 140 of the General Laws, as appearing in the 2002 Official Edition, is hereby amended by inserting after the figure "(30)", in line 11, the following words:- as appearing in such section on September 13, 1994.
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Already answered in Post #24 and the previous threads listed. Continually making the same false claims and interpretations to get attention does not warrant any further response.
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:31   #31
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Already answered in Post #24 and the previous threads listed. Continually making the same false claims and interpretations to get attention does not warrant any further response.
No you didn't. You presented general, secondhand talking points.

What specifically was the purpose of SECTION 1 of that law Romney signed?
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SECTION 1. Section 121 of chapter 140 of the General Laws, as appearing in the 2002 Official Edition, is hereby amended by inserting after the figure "(30)", in line 11, the following words:- as appearing in such section on September 13, 1994.

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Old 10-04-2012, 10:52   #32
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Let me help you out:

Before Romney's bill, Section 121 of chapter 140 said this:
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“Assault weapon”, shall have the same meaning as a semiautomatic assault weapon as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(30)...
The federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a), of course, is part of the federal AWB Clinton signed. SECTION 1 of Romney's bill changed Section 121 of chapter 140 to this:
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“Assault weapon”, shall have the same meaning as a semiautomatic assault weapon as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(30) as appearing in such section on September 13, 1994...
The federal AWB was expiring in 2004, and referencing it in general for the definition of "Assault weapon" was going to be legally problematic. Referencing specifically as appearing on September 13, 1994, preserved the definition of "Assault Weapon" thus preserving the MA Assault Weapon Ban. That was the purpose of SECTION 1 of the bill Romney signed.

Is there "anybody on GT", as Acujeff refers to you, who cares to dispute that?
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:11   #34
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Do gun owners owe Romney an apology?

Before or after he steals our guns?
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Old 10-04-2012, 17:38   #35
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The federal AWB was expiring in 2004, and referencing it in general for the definition of "Assault weapon" was going to be legally problematic. Referencing specifically as appearing on September 13, 1994, preserved the definition of "Assault Weapon" thus preserving the MA Assault Weapon Ban. That was the purpose of SECTION 1 of the bill Romney signed.

Is there "anybody on GT", as Acujeff refers to you, who cares to dispute that?
I'll take the resounding silence as a "no". So we know Romney did sign a gun control bill.

The funny thing is, given the political climate in MA, there could be rational justification for that move. Maybe not for the "extreme" pro-gunners, but probably enough for the average gun guy. Kind of like Reagan signing the far worse machine gun ban.

But apparently that wasn't enough for GOAL (and by extension, its mouthpiece acujeff). By taking the ridiculous position that "Romney never signed any gun control", they threw away their opportunity to appeal to people's rational side, and instead made themselves look like fools. Maybe when the text of laws weren't so easily accessible on the Internet an argument like that might've flown, but c'mon, it's 2012. Bring your lies into the Internet age!
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No further response is necessary. Your allegations are ridiculous.
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