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Old 10-06-2012, 12:09   #101
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I agree with this...but after we settle debt...

Spending needs cut, but past payments need to be paid.
Why should current taxpayers be encumbered by the debt incurred by previous governments? They had no representation. That is immoral.
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Old 10-06-2012, 12:14   #102
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Thats funny.

How many screen names do you have. I have seen you seen you, TBO, Ohiocopper, etc, etc have awefully close arguments.

But since stupidity (or dont we call that tinfoil hat conspiracy kooks???) is running rampant....here is my IP Address. You can see where I am at.

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I never said I believed it entirely. More importantly I never really cared enough to check.
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Old 10-06-2012, 12:24   #103
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I never said I believed it entirely. More importantly I never really cared enough to check.
Entirely??

That means that you believed most of it and you are easily duped. Hopefully with that intuition you dont become a detective. You didnt even figure out I am nothing more than a computer program.
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Old 10-06-2012, 13:30   #104
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Why should current taxpayers be encumbered by the debt incurred by previous governments? They had no representation. That is immoral.
Why should I be bound by laws or even the Constitution passed by previous governments? I had no representation. That's immoral.
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Old 10-06-2012, 13:33   #105
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Why should I be bound by laws or even the Constitution passed by previous governments? I had no representation. That's immoral.
This is interesting. Sam hasnt posted in the thread. Then somehow he just comes in with almost the same argument as CACop.

CACop and Sam are the same person using different accounts!!!
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Old 10-06-2012, 13:39   #106
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It really bothers you to be a pie eater rather than a pie producer, doesn't it?

You think of your work as important, and I'm sure it is. But that doesn't change the fact that you rely on someone else for your piece of the pie.
Doesn't bother me at all. I know only about 6% of the people who apply to do my job have the ability to get hired. And that is out of those who bother applying. The demands the people of CA place on police officers make for a very competative environment for employers. Employees can be picky unless they want the best. :cough:SantaClara:cough:
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Old 10-06-2012, 13:43   #107
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Incremental Marxism.
Spot on!

The independent, non-main stream news media outlets have been reporting on the thievery of people 401k's, pensions, and similar for over two years now. Some people said they were wrong. Guess not now huh?

ETA: Cops' and Firefighters' pensions are in their sites too!
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Old 10-06-2012, 13:51   #108
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This is interesting. Sam hasnt posted in the thread. Then somehow he just comes in with almost the same argument as CACop.

CACop and Sam are the same person using different accounts!!!
When I thought I was banned due to a glitch in my computer I thought about coming back with a completely different personality. It would be fun just to see how people react. I would hardly go through the effort of creating a second personality just to have it do the same job. If I had two accounts I would probably debate myself just to see what happened.

How do know I am not certifiedfunds?

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Old 10-06-2012, 13:53   #109
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Why should I be bound by laws or even the Constitution passed by previous governments? I had no representation. That's immoral.
You aren't. Those laws can be changed by current legislatures.
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This is interesting. Sam hasnt posted in the thread. Then somehow he just comes in with almost the same argument as CACop.

CACop and Sam are the same person using different accounts!!!
No Sam brings the intellectual wood
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No Sam brings the intellectual wood
I just get lazy and bored debating you.
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Old 10-06-2012, 14:08   #112
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No Sam brings the intellectual wood
Hey now.

I am not interested in who is bringing the wood.....

I am not quite into that kinda thing.
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If I had two accounts I would probably debate myself just to see what happened.
I talk to myself all the time. What get strange is one personality speaks german and the other english. Makes for a very conversation. Sometimes people look at me strange on the airplane.
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Old 10-06-2012, 17:58   #114
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And Bruce...feel free to come take my money.

I am 11 minutes outside of Basel.

Have fun.
While there in 2007, I enjoyed my short time in Basel. I was there working security for the Southern rock band, Point Blank, when they played the Grand Casino.
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No Sam brings the intellectual wood
Dude, no wait, let me make that...


Dear CF,

Give props where props are due. Please...

CACop has a grasp on reality that you and I can only covet and aspire to. (Along the line of relevant experiences versus life experiences kind of thing mind you.)

Anyway, CACop is among the top five on GT that can decode posts correctly as well as analytically so as to better other people's judgement(s) on a thread. This fact in itself is noteworthy and appreciable to "maroons" like us when it comes to life-versus-life issues.

I hate telling ya this bud, cause you are cool guy, but CACop is one of them types that could be a professional PORT-O-LET driver. You see, he not only knows his ****, but he also understands your **** and my **** as well. Simply put, the guy knows his stuff when it comes to being human.

I hate coming out on ya CF, but Props where Props are due when it comes to that guy. No hard feelings man.
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Dude, no wait, let me make that...


Dear CF,

Give props where props are due. Please...

CACop has a grasp on reality that you and I can only covet and aspire to. (Along the line of relevant experiences versus life experiences kind of thing mind you.)

Anyway, CACop is among the top five on GT that can decode posts correctly as well as analytically so as to better other people's judgement(s) on a thread. This fact in itself is noteworthy and appreciable to "maroons" like us when it comes to life-versus-life issues.

I hate telling ya this bud, cause you are cool guy, but CACop is one of them types that could be a professional PORT-O-LET driver. You see, he not only knows his ****, but he also understands your **** and my **** as well. Simply put, the guy knows his stuff when it comes to being human.

I hate coming out on ya CF, but Props where Props are due when it comes to that guy. No hard feelings man.
Please be careful or they will figure out you are one of the 13 also. So far they have only identified 3 of the 13.
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With what ? ....

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With our Tax money of course!

Must keep the Union whiners happy....
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Dude, no wait, let me make that...


Dear CF,

Give props where props are due. Please...

CACop has a grasp on reality that you and I can only covet and aspire to. (Along the line of relevant experiences versus life experiences kind of thing mind you.)

Anyway, CACop is among the top five on GT that can decode posts correctly as well as analytically so as to better other people's judgement(s) on a thread. This fact in itself is noteworthy and appreciable to "maroons" like us when it comes to life-versus-life issues.

I hate telling ya this bud, cause you are cool guy, but CACop is one of them types that could be a professional PORT-O-LET driver. You see, he not only knows his ****, but he also understands your **** and my **** as well. Simply put, the guy knows his stuff when it comes to being human.

I hate coming out on ya CF, but Props where Props are due when it comes to that guy. No hard feelings man.
And no matter what the topic is, there is always an analogy to the way San Bernadino negotiated their police union contract......

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Simply put, the guy knows his stuff when it comes to being human.
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Old 10-07-2012, 10:54   #120
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This about the only infringement of the 10A I could support.

States like CA do as they wish, until they F#$% up then you can see them coming to Uncle Sam to bail them out.

States should be prohibited from doing stuff they could later encumber the Fed for.

Some kind of fiscal requirement that they must stay solvent.

I'll be damned if I'm gonna end up being liable for CA's foolishness. They're currently underwater, refuse to do anything about it and the whole US will end up getting the tab. Someone in CA needs to be accountable.
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Old 10-08-2012, 17:48   #121
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You aint seen nothing yet. Wait till all the baby boomers, who are at the top of their pay range, retire. Full salary and medical benefits are really going to hurt the system.
Not in Texas. I put in 22.5 years and get about 30% of my salary. If I was older and not expected to live another 30 years, my pension would be higher.
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What do you have against unicorns and castles?

You must be a hateful person to dislike unicorns.
The wine we were served at the Basel Grand Casino, almost had me seeing the same unicorns I saw in Amsterdam.
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" Full salary and medical benefits are really going to hurt the system."

I just retired at 62 after 38 years with the state. With some old converted sick leave (due to a new program 20 years ago) the total is 38.5 years.

I will get 65.55% of my salary. BUT, however, my health insurance monthly premium goes from $78/mo. to $527/mo.

Where do I sign up for that "full salary" and bennies?


(At 65 I will have to apply for Medicare and pay about $100/mo., but the $527 drops to about $250 for my state Anthem coverage.)

I almost lasted 40 years before they wore me out. I haven't applied for SSA retirement yet. I won't qualify for full retirement until I'm 66; all they'll pay now is 75%. I started paying SSA taxes in 1966.

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A private business makes compensation decisions based on a profit motive. How much value does the person bring to the organization? How will this person help us make more money?

The government has no such consideration. It operates in a zero sum environment. It doesn't grow the pie. Every dollar it spends paying an employed must be taken from someone else by force.

Therefore 2 things:

We want our best talent out growing the pie, not eating it.

Government must make do with what it gets. Make talent fit that.


Generally speaking people who want to achieve, people driven to do more and do it better, don't even consider bottom dollar government jobs. Nor should they. That's how it should be.

Government jobs are there for folks with low ambition, marginal skill sets, few options.

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Thats funny.

How many screen names do you have. I have seen you seen you, TBO, Ohiocopper, etc, etc have awefully close arguments.

But since stupidity (or dont we call that tinfoil hat conspiracy kooks???) is running rampant....here is my IP Address. You can see where I am at.

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