Black Dawn AR-15

Presscheck40 · 09-06-2012, 17:51

Does anyone here have any experience with the Black Dawn? I’m in the marketfor a custom AR that I can use to teach Law Enforcement classes with. I needsomething that is going to run anything I feed it and take a beating. I'mlooking at a flat top that has modular hand guards and a single point sling andan eotech.
Any and all input is welcome.

Thanks in advance.

**NeverMore1701** · 09-06-2012, 17:56

Never heard of it. What's your budget?

Presscheck40 · 09-06-2012, 18:06

My budget is right around $2,000 with optics. Black Dawn is new to me aswell. An officer I work with picked one up and it seems to be a real shooterbut I do not have enough trigger time on it and neither does he to make a decisionone way or another. http://blackdawnguns.com/They are located about an hour from KC and looking at going down on Monday to check them out.

WoodenPlank · 09-06-2012, 18:08

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Originally Posted by Presscheck40

Does anyone here have any experience with the Black Dawn? I’m in the marketfor a custom AR that I can use to teach Law Enforcement classes with. I needsomething that is going to run anything I feed it and take a beating. I'mlooking at a flat top that has modular hand guards and a single point sling andan eotech.
Any and all input is welcome.

Thanks in advance.

Two words: Bravo Company.

Also, skip the single point. Put a quality, adjustable 2-point on it. VCAS or VTAC both come to mind.

**NeverMore1701** · 09-06-2012, 18:38

No kidding, you can probably do a BCM rifle in your choice of configuration, Aimpoint or EOTech, VCAS/VTAC sling, BattleComp, and Geissele SSA for that kind of coin!

G17 Zombie Blaster · 09-06-2012, 18:51

Only Black Dawn stuff I ever seen was in Cheaper than Dirt

....... Just sayin!

Trey83 · 09-06-2012, 20:54

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Originally Posted by NeverMore1701

No kidding, you can probably do a BCM rifle in your choice of configuration, Aimpoint or EOTech, VCAS/VTAC sling, BattleComp, and Geissele SSA for that kind of coin!

This is what I'd do.

SCSU74 · 09-06-2012, 20:57

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Originally Posted by NeverMore1701

No kidding, you can probably do a BCM rifle in your choice of configuration, Aimpoint or EOTech, VCAS/VTAC sling, BattleComp, and Geissele SSA for that kind of coin!

Yes!! I would put black dawn somewhere around the level of DPMS

michael_b · 09-07-2012, 12:25

Hmmm out of Sedalia MO.

I've never seen their stuff at the gun shows in KC or anything. That seems odd.

Restocking fee of 20% on any unopened return order to, yikes.

The website has some odd design choices, and one of the product pictures is a snapshot of the item sitting on a leather couch. That always gives me pause.

I'd stick with BCM.

bigmoney890 · 09-07-2012, 12:52

I'd pass. Like everyone else has mentioned, you can get a hell of a lot more gun for the money.

My suggestion, Colt 6920 w/ magpul funiture + an ACOG. That leaves you right at around your 2k price mark.

Or if you want a truly "Custom" AR, go with the Magpul'd Colt + Aimpoint Pro and get your gun hydro-dipped in whatever pattern you'd like.

Either way, i'd shy away from an unproven company like this for a price tag of 2k.

***Travclem*** · 09-07-2012, 16:31

6920/LMT/DD with an AP or ET easily for $2K. I'd skip the Black Dawn, never heard of it but it sounds hokey.

Apetrulis01 · 09-08-2012, 19:58

I would get a Daniel Defense LE package if you are LE. You can choose from 3 different rifle, comes with sights, Bushnell Tac 30 red dot, 6 pmags, and a rifle case. All for around 1500 dollars. This leaves a lot of money left over for ammo.

Adam

**NeverMore1701** · 09-08-2012, 20:01

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Originally Posted by Apetrulis01

I would get a Daniel Defense LE package if you are LE. You can choose from 3 different rifle, comes with sights, Bushnell Tac 30 red dot, 6 pmags, and a rifle case. All for around 1500 dollars. This leaves a lot of money left over for ammo.

Adam

Or a real optic.

WoodenPlank · 09-08-2012, 20:12

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Or a real optic.

Agreed.

Presscheck40 · 09-08-2012, 20:18

Well thanks everyone for the input I definitely have got other options to look at now. I need ultimate reliability something that will preform when asked to.

Presscheck40

K. Foster · 09-08-2012, 21:11

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I’m in the marketfor a custom AR that I can use to teach Law Enforcement classes with.

For teaching, use what your students are using.

WoodenPlank · 09-08-2012, 21:13

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For teaching, use what your students are using.

Or at least something similar in function and setup. If an LEA came through that issued DPMS, I certainly wouldn't run out and buy one to teach them with. Use something quality and maintain it, as an instructors weapon malfunctioning can be an unnecessary distraction.

WoodenPlank · 09-08-2012, 21:17

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Originally Posted by Presscheck40

Well thanks everyone for the input I definitely have got other options to look at now. I need ultimate reliability something that will preform when asked to.

Presscheck40

Then I would suggest DD or Bravo Company. Honestly I would suggest a mid-level BCM build - quality, but still within budget range for many (maybe even most, if they tried) cops that might be forced to buy their own rifle or improvements. A BCM 16" middy with a CTR or similar stock, MOE handguards, a quality light (The VTAC L4 combos come to mind), fixed front and folding rear sight, and an Aimpoint PRO. Top it off with plenty of PMAGs and a VTAC or Vickers sling, plus other minor items of preference (personally, Gunfighter charging handle and grip set) and call it good.

mixflip · 09-08-2012, 21:23

If I were going to be teaching cops I wouldnt bother experimenting with non proven guns.

Why not just follow the KISS concept (keep it simple......) and just buy a Colt LE6920 with what ever accessories you feel yo need and call it a day? The "Colt M4" configuration has been proven in combat for over a decade. How much combat field testing has Black Dawn had?

**Cole125** · 09-08-2012, 21:39

I agree to sticking with something proven. Get a BCM, and skip the EOTech and get a Aimpoint Pro.

NMGlock79 · 09-10-2012, 08:30

Get a dd and never worry about it again.

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Presscheck40 · 09-13-2012, 18:19

Ok so what's everyone's views on Noveske rifles?

Presscheck40

**NeverMore1701** · 09-13-2012, 18:28

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Ok so what's everyone's views on Noveske rifles?

Presscheck40

Some of the best out there.

***Matthew Courtney*** · 09-13-2012, 18:51

You are setting an example with everything that you do. Your rifle should be a proven one, set up simply, and not so hoity, toity that your students think that they need to spend mega bucks to have a solid rig.

Presscheck40 · 09-13-2012, 18:54

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Originally Posted by Matthew Courtney

You are setting an example with everything that you do. Your rifle should be a proven one, set up simply, and not so hoity, toity that your students think that they need to spend mega bucks to have a solid rig.

I am just wanting something that is gonna last a while with failures at zero. I need a weapon system that will eat anything I feed it.

Presscheck40