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Old 10-02-2012, 21:52   #51
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That's the great thing about Alabama, No one in their right mind would to move here. I retired from the Atlanta area and moved to the sticks here......quiet, cheap, low taxes and very few democrats.

My zip code is EIEIO
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Old 10-02-2012, 22:16   #52
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My zip code is EIEIO
No man, that ain't no zip code. That's how you spell farm, ya know like " old McDonald had a farm......EIEIO."!
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Old 10-03-2012, 05:12   #53
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Thi has been going on for 20+ years. I think the recession of the early 90s was the start. CA lagged the nation in getting jobs back. Before that it was the other way around. Essentially immigrants come into the state and middle class people leave. Of course 20+ years later the immigrants have reached middle class status and are leaving. And I am not just talking about Mexico; China, India, and other places are sending immigrants.

I forsee a day when the state consists of poor and rich people separated by a middle class mostly consisting of government workers whose jobs are to keep the poor from killing the rich.

I left in 1990 because housing prices rose so fast it was impossible to afford a three bedroom home on my family's income. Housing prices increased so rapidly, I couldn't even keep up with the increase in the down payment required. Plus I would be paying current property tax rates while my neighbors were grandfathered with Proposition 10whatever to property tax rates of the previous decade. Many people were taking out second mortgages to flip property lots three or four times while the house was under construction. It was, in my opinion fundamentally skewed and unfair.

I left, bought land and a three bedroom house w/in-ground pool for the kids to grow in a nice neighborhood (where they walked to school) in Southern Alabama for less than the price of rent in Orange County.

California. Beautiful State. Nice people. Great food.
But
Expensive - housing, insurance, unbalanced taxes. You end up working just to pay the rent/mortagae/taxes/fuel and having little left over for "life".
Traffic - world class freeway jams, long commutes, forget the beach on a holiday weekend, nowhere to park, smog.

<<< Hoping CACop will try Alabama one day. (ALCop) You may choose not to go back to the crazy Golden State.
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:07   #54
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Hate California?

Hate California?? Thank one of the many big unions we have out here! They are a cancer on the state.
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Old 10-03-2012, 09:34   #55
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I left in 1990 because housing prices rose so fast it was impossible to afford a three bedroom home on my family's income. Housing prices increased so rapidly, I couldn't even keep up with the increase in the down payment required. Plus I would be paying current property tax rates while my neighbors were grandfathered with Proposition 10whatever to property tax rates of the previous decade. Many people were taking out second mortgages to flip property lots three or four times while the house was under construction. It was, in my opinion fundamentally skewed and unfair.

I left, bought land and a three bedroom house w/in-ground pool for the kids to grow in a nice neighborhood (where they walked to school) in Southern Alabama for less than the price of rent in Orange County.

California. Beautiful State. Nice people. Great food.
But
Expensive - housing, insurance, unbalanced taxes. You end up working just to pay the rent/mortagae/taxes/fuel and having little left over for "life".
Traffic - world class freeway jams, long commutes, forget the beach on a holiday weekend, nowhere to park, smog.

<<< Hoping CACop will try Alabama one day. (ALCop) You may choose not to go back to the crazy Golden State.
It's a shame, really. The state is basically a gift from god when you consider the natural beauty, the coastline and the weather - and it's infested by a legacy of liberal politicians and voters that are destroying it.
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:14   #56
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It's a shame, really. The state is basically a gift from god when you consider the natural beauty, the coastline and the weather - and it's infested by a legacy of liberal politicians and voters that are destroying it.
I can agree with this.
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:39   #57
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It's a shame, really. The state is basically a gift from god when you consider the natural beauty, the coastline and the weather - and it's infested by a legacy of liberal politicians and voters that are destroying it.
The same can be said of the U.S. ....

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Old 10-03-2012, 12:08   #58
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I left in 1990 because housing prices rose so fast it was impossible to afford a three bedroom home on my family's income. Housing prices increased so rapidly, I couldn't even keep up with the increase in the down payment required. Plus I would be paying current property tax rates while my neighbors were grandfathered with Proposition 10whatever to property tax rates of the previous decade. Many people were taking out second mortgages to flip property lots three or four times while the house was under construction. It was, in my opinion fundamentally skewed and unfair.

I left, bought land and a three bedroom house w/in-ground pool for the kids to grow in a nice neighborhood (where they walked to school) in Southern Alabama for less than the price of rent in Orange County.

California. Beautiful State. Nice people. Great food.
But
Expensive - housing, insurance, unbalanced taxes. You end up working just to pay the rent/mortagae/taxes/fuel and having little left over for "life".
Traffic - world class freeway jams, long commutes, forget the beach on a holiday weekend, nowhere to park, smog.

<<< Hoping CACop will try Alabama one day. (ALCop) You may choose not to go back to the crazy Golden State.

Wait a minute here

All that house flipping and property speculation

That doesn't sound like the "Evil Cororate Greed" we here so much about and, according to some, is the root of all evil.

No, that sounds like greedy individuals, en masse, trying to make ridiculous profits with little effort.
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Itís obvious that these people fleeing California are


RACIST!
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Old 10-03-2012, 13:29   #60
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I knew we needed a fence....... Political Issues


I've been arguing for Texas to have a fence at Texas' northern border much more than our southern.

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We need to make a 1 mile wide DMZ type border around Texas.

Hey!

You know why all the trees in LA, AR, OK and NM lean toward Texas?

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Because Texas SUCKS!


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Old 10-03-2012, 15:03   #61
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+1!

We need to make a 1 mile wide DMZ type border around Texas.

Hey!

You know why all the trees in LA, AR, OK and NM lean toward Texas?

Drum roll, PLEASE!!!











Because Texas SUCKS!


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Arkansas........the only state worse than AL, MS, and LA and NJ
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Yeah but we don't marry our sisters or cousins! LOL

Seriously...I am just hoping that our heat keeps most of the blue-staters out.

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Old 10-03-2012, 15:18   #63
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Yeah but we don't marry our sisters or cousins! LOL

Seriously...I am just hoping that our heat keeps most of the blue-staters out.

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that's called "rolling your own" in Arkansas
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Old 10-03-2012, 15:43   #64
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I hear that NY, NJ and CT are looking for like minded families to join them in their little slice of paradise.
There's been a mass exodus from New Jersey, too. NJ is, hands down, the most corrupt state in the nation. Corruption and graft is 'SOP' Standard Operating Procedure in this 'open sewer' of a state. Homeowners are being 'taxed to death' by the highest property taxes in the nation; small businesses are being regulated 'out of business' and corporations are 'running for the hills' as NJ politicians extort money from them until they bleed them to death and they have no choice but to leave the state. Also...the so called "Garden State" has been "blacktopped over", "strip-malled" and McMansioned until there are hardly any open spaces left. Then, the greedy kids of WWII's 'greatest generation' sold off most of the large horse farms to developers before mom & dad were cold in their graves! What a disgrace this once beautiful state has become.
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Old 10-03-2012, 16:01   #65
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There's been a mass exodus from New Jersey, too. NJ is, hands down, the most corrupt state in the nation. Corruption and graft is 'SOP' Standard Operating Procedure in this 'open sewer' of a state. Homeowners are being 'taxed to death' by the highest property taxes in the nation; small businesses are being regulated 'out of business' and corporations are 'running for the hills' as NJ politicians extort money from them until they bleed them to death and they have no choice but to leave the state. Also...the so called "Garden State" has been "blacktopped over", "strip-malled" and McMansioned until there are hardly any open spaces left. Then, the greedy kids of WWII's 'greatest generation' sold off most of the large horse farms to developers before mom & dad were cold in their graves! What a disgrace this once beautiful state has become.
The same thing happened in Oregons Willamette Valley and the Tualatin Valley. The Tualatin Valley wage hugely productive farm land, all of the prime land became housing developments. The larger Willamette Valley is filling in the farms with housing here and there, and the area votes consistantly,



wait for it



Democrat.

They are the leading producers of "environmentally friendly" laws that the rest of the State gets stuck with while their "communities" robbed the State of some of the most fertile sustainable food producing land in existence.
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I just finished reading our company's daily announcements.

In 1990 we opened a warehouse/distribution center in Fresno, Ca.

It is being moved in December to Reno, NV.
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:38   #67
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There's been a mass exodus from New Jersey, too. NJ is, hands down, the most corrupt state in the nation. Corruption and graft is 'SOP' Standard Operating Procedure in this 'open sewer' of a state. Homeowners are being 'taxed to death' by the highest property taxes in the nation; small businesses are being regulated 'out of business' and corporations are 'running for the hills' as NJ politicians extort money from them until they bleed them to death and they have no choice but to leave the state. Also...the so called "Garden State" has been "blacktopped over", "strip-malled" and McMansioned until there are hardly any open spaces left. Then, the greedy kids of WWII's 'greatest generation' sold off most of the large horse farms to developers before mom & dad were cold in their graves! What a disgrace this once beautiful state has become.
I think Nuevo Mexico is its twin in the corruption dept. and slightly ahead in the nepotism dept.
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People and businesses are moving AWAY from the states that have been under Democrat rule for decades....in droves.

What does that tell you about how well their plans work?

LOL
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People and businesses are moving AWAY from the states that have been under Democrat rule for decades....in droves.

What does that tell you about how well their plans work?

LOL
Problem is that they are infecting the states they move to with the same failed thinking and voting patterns. And many of the smaller red states do not have sufficent population to balance it out.
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There's been a mass exodus from New Jersey, too. NJ is, hands down, the most corrupt state in the nation. Corruption and graft is 'SOP' Standard Operating Procedure in this 'open sewer' of a state. Homeowners are being 'taxed to death' by the highest property taxes in the nation; small businesses are being regulated 'out of business' and corporations are 'running for the hills' as NJ politicians extort money from them until they bleed them to death and they have no choice but to leave the state. Also...the so called "Garden State" has been "blacktopped over", "strip-malled" and McMansioned until there are hardly any open spaces left. Then, the greedy kids of WWII's 'greatest generation' sold off most of the large horse farms to developers before mom & dad were cold in their graves! What a disgrace this once beautiful state has become.
Not that I would ever want to live in NJ (again), there are still a lot of beautiful areas left, mostly south and west. One of the reasons those kids sell off mom and dadís farm is inheritance tax. After all, they have to pay the tab of their greedy parents generation of deficit spending and borrowing from China to pay for.
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There's been a mass exodus from New Jersey, too.
http://exa.gmnews.com/news/2012-10-04/Columns/
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America's Most Dangerous City...

America's Most Dangerous City...

http://exa.gmnews.com/news/2012-10-04/Columns/
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....and 700,000 have left IL in the last decade, including me. It's like CA without the good weather.
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Yeah but we don't marry our sisters or cousins! LOL

Seriously...I am just hoping that our heat keeps most of the blue-staters out.

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I've been at home in Fairbanks and the surrounding areas for the last few weeks and have noticed an infestation of leftist DSMFs that we've never had before. I was hoping the -40 F winters would drive them out, but they seem to be hardier riff-raff than I expected.
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