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Old 09-29-2012, 08:37   #1
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Next gun to fille a niche - Sub2000, Mosin, or other?

I am planning to pick up a new firearm in the next couple weeks to fill a hole in the collection. I don't currently have a pistol caliber carbine or a traditional battle rifle (an AK in 7.62x39 is the biggest rifle caliber in the collection), so I was considering either of those.

My options I am considering are:

A Keltec Sub2000 at a really good price at the LGS in either 9 or 40. Both calibers are already in the collection so I'd prob go with the 9mm since I could pick up a few of the Glock 33 round mags for it. People seem to love or hate Keltec, and I have had a good experience with my PF9, but I'd love to hear some people's opinions on the quality of the Sub2000. The size/maneuverability of the gun has me leaning in that direction, but the brand's hit or miss reputation has me hesitant.

Mosin Nagant rifle or carbine, both are at the LGS and at decent prices. They also have a good deal on the spam cans, so for the price of the Keltec and a few mags I could pick up a Mosin and a lot of ammo for it, which is enticing. There's just something comforting about a rifle that was built before my father was born and that will no doubt still function after I'm long gone. A larger caliber bolt action would also be a good choice for hunting or general purpose in a SHTF scenario. My question about this one is - if I don't care about preserving the historical "look" of the Mosin, how hard is it to get a scope properly mounted? I have seen pics of a scope mounted to preserve the iron sights underneath, which is how I would want do it if I bought this one.

Other options:

Ruger 10/22 - I don't have a .22, so this is a definite contender. I'd rather add something with a little better stopping power first given the way things are going with the world, but a .22 is always a good thing to have.

Something else??
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Old 09-29-2012, 08:42   #2
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Ruger 10/22 is a really good option to consider first. Cheap to shoot, great for small game.
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Old 09-29-2012, 09:04   #3
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I have all three, and recommend you grab that Sub2K while you can; sometimes they are scarce, and it took me over a year to get the G17-mag model I wanted. It's also easy to take to the range along with handguns, and it's fun to shoot.
It would aslo be a good choice for home defense or CQB, but I prefer an AK for this.

You'll want a 10-22 someday, you just haven't felt the need yet. No hurry, there are plenty of those around.

The Mosin-Nagants are still common, but mounting a scope is such a hassle that few bother. The sniper models have the bolt bent to clear the scope, but the MN is really designed to be a cheap tough powerful low-capacity battle rifle for conscripted peasants to carry with bayonets. Prices have risen on the carbine M44, and the M91-30 is now over $100 when it used to be $80. Still the cheapest bargain in the world, if that's something you need now.
It's worth having, but rarely gets taken to the range these days and doesn't seem useful for home defense. If you wanted a scope mounted deer rifle you'd be better served with a common Savage, Remington, Marlin, or whatever.

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Old 09-29-2012, 09:46   #4
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Check this guy out for scope mounts, heard some pretty good reviews too

http://www.jmeckscopemounts.com/Home_Page.php

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Old 09-29-2012, 09:52   #5
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I'm curious about these "good"prices. Care to share? I just picked up an m44 not to long ago for 175 and a sub 2k for 275 in .40/glock so yes prices are going up...
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Old 09-29-2012, 10:42   #6
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"A Keltec Sub2000 at a really good price at the LGS in either 9 or 40."

If you are saying you can get a S2K at a good price you better jump on that.
S2K are almost impossible to find. They should sell for around $300 but people are asking $500+.

If you are saying I want to find A Keltec Sub2000 at a really good price at the LGS in either 9 or 40, just move on to your other two options.
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Old 09-29-2012, 11:30   #7
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Just sold my Sub2K.

Nice toy but not much of a gun. Crappy, heavy, soft, plastic trigger, which I replaced with aluminum one and polished up disconnecting surfaces.

Still. Extremely sensitive to any weakness in backstop AKA shoulder. If you rapid fire it and forget for a second to put your shoulder fully into to it will jam.

Just not a kind of gun I would rely my life on.
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Old 09-29-2012, 11:46   #8
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A larger caliber bolt action would also be a good choice for hunting or general purpose in a SHTF scenario.
Something else??
Just buy some good ol Remington 700 in 308. Common caliber, common gun that everybody works on and can be endlessly improved on later.

7.62x54R is only cheap now while surplus ammo is available. Wait till Obongo (or rabid anti-gunner Rmoney) will get to it!
Even if you buy “sardine cans” ammo most of it is already old and of poor quality.

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Old 09-29-2012, 14:51   #9
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I'm curious about these "good"prices. Care to share? I just picked up an m44 not to long ago for 175 and a sub 2k for 275 in .40/glock so yes prices are going up...
The Mosin rifle for $129, carbine for $159, and the S2k in .40/Glock for $265. Thought I was losing my mind when I saw that price. Might pick that one up just out of principle.

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"A Keltec Sub2000 at a really good price at the LGS in either 9 or 40."

If you are saying you can get a S2K at a good price you better jump on that.
S2K are almost impossible to find. They should sell for around $300 but people are asking $500+.

If you are saying I want to find A Keltec Sub2000 at a really good price at the LGS in either 9 or 40, just move on to your other two options.
Not sure about the 9, but they have the .40, price mentioned above.

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Just sold my Sub2K.

Nice toy but not much of a gun. Crappy, heavy, soft, plastic trigger, which I replaced with aluminum one and polished up disconnecting surfaces.

Still. Extremely sensitive to any weakness in backstop AKA shoulder. If you rapid fire it and forget for a second to put your shoulder fully into to it will jam.

Just not a kind of gun I would rely my life on.
And that's the kind of thing I was afraid of, and exactly why I asked.

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Just buy some good ol Remington 700 in 308. Common caliber, common gun that everybody works on and can be endlessly improved on later.

7.62x54R is only cheap now while surplus ammo is available. Wait till Obongo (or rabid anti-gunned Rmoney) will get to it!
Even if you buy “sardine cans” ammo most of it is already old and of poor quality.
What sort of price would we be talking about for a basic 700? Do those have irons or is a scope mount/scope required right away? Much more familiar with handguns, so please pardon the stupid questions.
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Old 09-29-2012, 15:05   #10
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If you want the Keltec you better grab it before it is gone. You can find a Mosin in your backyard.
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Old 09-29-2012, 16:04   #11
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I have all three, so I suggest the Sub2K first. The 10/22 you can get anytime, dime a dozen, and the Mosins are plentiful and prices climb very slow.
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Old 09-29-2012, 16:23   #12
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What sort of price would we be talking about for a basic 700? Do those have irons or is a scope mount/scope required right away? Much more familiar with handguns, so please pardon the stupid questions.
Cheapest “Walmart grade” Remington 700 is sold under $400.
Because it is Remington 700 you can endlessly upgrade and modify it as your funds allow.

I think they sell them without irons but it should not cost much at all to put cheap scope on it.

Check local gun shops and pawnshops. You may find used not abused 700 scoped and cheap.

308 would be short action. 30-06 and up is long action. ADL/BDL is up to you (floor plate or not).

This would be my starter Remington 700 short action.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/42070

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Old 09-29-2012, 16:32   #13
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10/22 for sure!
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Old 09-29-2012, 17:59   #14
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I have the G19 frame Sub2K just because the G19 is my carry pistol. The ability to drop a carbine in my laptop case that takes the same mags was the selling point. Break it in with 124gr ammo for the first 500. They are sensitive to underpowered ammo. With good ammo I have had zero problems with mine and Keltec has a lifetime warranty.. I put a rail on mine and added a red-dot sight. 6 of the G18 mags in a carrier and I have a travel pack in case of riots in Liberty City again.

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Old 09-29-2012, 18:29   #15
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Simple.

10/22.

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Nice toy but not much of a gun. Crappy, heavy, soft, plastic trigger, which I replaced with aluminum one and polished up disconnecting surfaces.

Just not a kind of gun I would rely my life on.
+1000

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Old 09-29-2012, 18:56   #16
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If you don't have a 10/22 yet get one
If you don't have a Mosin yet get one (but be picky) I ticked off a seller at a gun show back a few years ago . Told him I was going to buy one of his Nagants right now but it was going to be the one I picked. Found a B E Autiful Tula on the bottom of the case (after the cosmo came off) Tight and shoots well once you adjust.
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For what you're gonna pay for a Sub2000, if you shop around, I bet you can buy a 10/22 and a Mosin for around the same amount. So you'll have 2 guns off your list instead of just one.
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I have all three, and recommend you grab that Sub2K while you can; sometimes they are scarce, and it took me over a year to get the G17-mag model I wanted. It's also easy to take to the range along with handguns, and it's fun to shoot.
It would aslo be a good choice for home defense or CQB, but I prefer an AK for this.

You'll want a 10-22 someday, you just haven't felt the need yet. No hurry, there are plenty of those around.

The Mosin-Nagants are still common, but mounting a scope is such a hassle that few bother. The sniper models have the bolt bent to clear the scope, but the MN is really designed to be a cheap tough powerful low-capacity battle rifle for conscripted peasants to carry with bayonets. Prices have risen on the carbine M44, and the M91-30 is now over $100 when it used to be $80. Still the cheapest bargain in the world, if that's something you need now.
It's worth having, but rarely gets taken to the range these days and doesn't seem useful for home defense. If you wanted a scope mounted deer rifle you'd be better served with a common Savage, Remington, Marlin, or whatever.

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^This!

I have two Sub2Ks, two 10/22s (one is the Takedown model) and five Mosins.

Get the Sub2K in 9mm IMMEDIATELY!!!! They are extremely hard to find and can fetch a hefty price.

Whichever you decide to get, enjoy it!

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[QUOTE=HighTechRedneck;19468430]The Mosin rifle for $129, carbine for $159, and the S2k in .40/Glock for $265. Thought I was losing my mind when I saw that price. Might pick that one up just out of principal.

At that price I bet the sub 2k is already gone. I chose the.40 because I have a glock 23. Never had a problem with just about 100/ rounds. Again at that price I would jump all over it!
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