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Old 09-28-2012, 08:21   #41
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The Ukrainian Holocaust was not committed by communists nor atheists, it was the Nazi's. Who were RIGHT WING and MOSTLY CHRISTIAN!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_in_Ukraine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany

But you will somehow rewrite history to support your twisted view that Christians are always good, and every other group is always bad.

Now the deaths during the Ukrainian Holodomor (famine) was a result of the Soviets, just as the deaths during the Irish famine was caused by the policies of the Christian British. These genocidal acts were not due to their Atheism or Christianity respectively.
National SOCIALIST democratic party (NAZI)...right wing? Everything controlled by the state...right wing?

just where did you go to school?

christians always good? nope..you're right on that part
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Old 09-28-2012, 11:42   #42
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National SOCIALIST democratic party (NAZI)...right wing? Everything controlled by the state...right wing?

just where did you go to school?

christians always good? nope..you're right on that part

Please read:

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Far right politics commonly includes authoritarianism, anti-communism, nativism and racialism.[8] Typically, the term far right is applied to fascists and neo-Nazis,[9][10][11][12][13] and major elements of fascism have been deemed clearly far right, such as its belief that supposedly superior people have the right to dominate society while purging allegedly inferior elements, and — in the case of Nazism — genocide of people deemed to be inferior.[14] The far right claims that superior people should proportionally have greater rights than inferior people.[15] The far right has historically favoured an elitist society based on belief of the legitimacy of the rule of a supposed superior minority over the inferior masses.[16] Far-right politics usually involves anti-immigration and anti-integration stances towards groups that are deemed inferior and undesirable.[17] Concerning the socio-cultural dimension (nationality, culture and migration), a far-right position could be the view that certain ethnic, racial or religious groups should stay separate, and that the interests of one’s own group should be prioritised.[18]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
National Socialism (common English short form Nazism, German: Nationalsozialismus) was the ideology of the Nazi Party and Nazi Germany.[1][2][3][4] It is a variety of fascism that incorporates biological racism and antisemitism.[5] Nazism used elements of the far-right racist Völkisch German nationalist movement and the anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture which fought against the communists in post-World War I Germany.

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Fascism (*/ˈfćʃɪzəm/) is a radical authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2] Fascists seek to unify their nation based on commitment to an organic national community where its individuals are united together as one people through national identity.[3][4] The unity of the nation is to be based upon suprapersonal connections of ancestry and culture through a totalitarian state that seeks the mass mobilization of the national community through discipline, indoctrination, physical training, and eugenics.[3][5] Fascism seeks to eradicate perceived foreign influences that are deemed to be causing degeneration of the nation or of not fitting into the national culture.[6]

There is some dispute among scholars about where along the left/right spectrum that fascism resides.[36][37][38][39] Fascism is commonly described as "extreme right"
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Old 09-28-2012, 12:04   #43
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True Believing Atheists can't stand such blasphemy. Watch for them to start clamoring for a law now to ban free speech.
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You are making the thought error of assuming the secular killing was due to atheism. If a person kills you for your watch, it is not because of his religion. If a country goes to war to expand their borders it is for a secular purpose, but not because of their religion. Secular only means not having religion as a purpose.

I still submit to you people don't kill in the name of atheism. Atheists may kill people for secular purposes (i.e. robbery, rage, or even for political gain) but it is not because of their Atheism. However, people have, and still do kill because of, and in the name of religion.
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Fascism is commonly described as "extreme right"...
...by mendacious pinko 'historians' with an agenda to protect their lib-left ideology by trying to distance it from odious National SOCIALISM. They now also lie that they somehow differ from murderous Stalin too (see how they falsely, hair-splittingly, claim that atheist communists weren't murdering because of their atheism). Of course they're going to lie for their Party, especially since lying is one of the things leftists do best.

But here it is right from the horse's mouth: "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalists..." -Adolph Hitler. If he had given us full disclosure, he could have added that he hated Christianity, hated America, and was a homosexual; more things that both Hitler's National SOCIALISTS and today's socialists have in common.

The modern Western Left more or less supported the communists throughout the Cold war, especially during the Vietnam War. Today, the left supports Islam. Back in Hitler's day, Islam supported Hitler. In 1941, the (Muslim) Grand Mufti of Jerusalem met with Hitler. Muslims were Nazi's natural friends because they both regarded Jews as the enemy. In 1945, Yugoslavia sought to indict the Mufti as a war criminal for his role in recruiting 20,000 Muslim volunteers for the SS, who participated in the killing of Jews in Croatia and Hungary. He escaped French detention in 1946, however, and continued his jihad against Jews from Cairo and later Beirut. He died in 1974.

So, leftist lies notwithstanding, we can see great similarities between totalitarian communism, totalitarian Nazism, and totalitarian Islam. They are all enemies of America, freedom, Christianity, Judaism, family and traditional marriage, and of all that's good and decent in the world.
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...by mendacious pinko 'historians' with an agenda to protect their lib-left ideology by trying to distance it from odious National SOCIALISM. They now also lie that they somehow differ from murderous Stalin too (see how they falsely, hair-splittingly, claim that atheist communists weren't murdering because of their atheism). Of course they're going to lie for their Party, especially since lying is one of the things leftists do best.

But here it is right from the horse's mouth: "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalists..." -Adolph Hitler. If he had given us full disclosure, he could have added that he hated Christianity, hated America, and was a homosexual; more things that both Hitler's National SOCIALISTS and today's socialists have in common.

The modern Western Left more or less supported the communists throughout the Cold war, especially during the Vietnam War. Today, the left supports Islam. Back in Hitler's day, Islam supported Hitler. In 1941, the (Muslim) Grand Mufti of Jerusalem met with Hitler. Muslims were Nazi's natural friends because they both regarded Jews as the enemy. In 1945, Yugoslavia sought to indict the Mufti as a war criminal for his role in recruiting 20,000 Muslim volunteers for the SS, who participated in the killing of Jews in Croatia and Hungary. He escaped French detention in 1946, however, and continued his jihad against Jews from Cairo and later Beirut. He died in 1974.

So, leftist lies notwithstanding, we can see great similarities between totalitarian communism, totalitarian Nazism, and totalitarian Islam. They are all enemies of America, freedom, Christianity, Judaism, family and traditional marriage, and of all that's good and decent in the world.
Hitler also met with the pope and had the support of several Catholic Cardinals.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False...ected_pope.htm
Treaty with catholic church.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat
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you're using wikipedia that can be edited by any yahoo on the net?
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Hitler also met with the pope and had the support of several Catholic Cardinals.
You are free to continue to deny reality and substitute your own version.
Hitler had power which he used to murder 3 million Polish Christians alone, at the same time that "Uncle Joe" Stalin was murdering 15 million Christians. Pope Pius had to be careful. But that is forgotten in today's climate of the ascendancy of cultural Marxism that has changed our culture to one that is thoroughly anti-Christian. Does our left ever deride FDR's affection for Stalin, who was a worse murderer than was Hitler? No.

The fact is, Pope Pius saved 800,000 Jewish lives. He hid Jews in monasteries, convents, and inside the Vatican itself. He got to Jews money for travel, issued fake baptismal certificates so they could pass as Christian, and was praised by Jews (Golda Meir, Albert Einstein) at the end of the war.
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No... But snowbird is no better than one.
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Get out there and learn a bit. Being willing to kill innocent noncombatants makes one a despicable creature. Those that support them are despicable too.
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you're using wikipedia that can be edited by any yahoo on the net?
Try editing it; The English version of Wikipedia is pretty solid.

You can deny it all you want, but the Nazis were right wing. You focus too much on the "socialist" part and completely missed the "Nationalist" part. Nationalism is ultra right-wing.
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Try editing it; The English version of Wikipedia is pretty solid.

You can deny it all you want, but the Nazis were right wing. You focus too much on the "socialist" part and completely missed the "Nationalist" part. Nationalism is ultra right-wing.
thanks for your permission to deny it, cause I will.
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Nationalism is ultra right-wing.
Is that historic British people's nationalism, the nationalism of the Muslim ummah, or the nationalism of the communist internationale?

It seems ironic that liberal fascists call themselves "anti-fascists" these days. From what I hear, Antifas are hard-left groups who use violence against "racists" and "fascists", i.e. anybody who opposes Leftist orthodoxy, such as the EDL (English Defense League -patriots who oppose the Islamization of England that is occurring under leftist 'elites' policies of multiculturalism and mass Muslim immigration). The Antifas may have the support of local authorities and police.

It is said that the leftist 'elites' who favor Muslim immigration, have a snobby British-caste-system dislike for the working-class patriotic EDL types. Is that right, Phaze5ive? I've also heard that the National Children's Bureau has issued guidelines to nursery teachers to be alert for "racism" amongst the toddlers -if a little tyke is fed spicy foreign food and says "yuk", he's a 'racist', from the leftist perspective. Have you heard of this?

I sincerely wish England good luck in the future years (and France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Germany, Italy, Spain, and for that matter, Canada, the U.S.A., Australia, New Zealand, Thailand, the Philippines, and probably others). All of these have Muslim problems that seem likely to worsen. Stopping Muslim immigration would ameliorate this, IMHO, but the leftist powers that be not only aren't interested in my opinion; they think I'm a "racist", etc.
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Try editing it; The English version of Wikipedia is pretty solid.

You can deny it all you want, but the Nazis were right wing. You focus too much on the "socialist" part and completely missed the "Nationalist" part. Nationalism is ultra right-wing.
The Nazi's were actually left wing. They wanted the state to provide for all, and controlled private industry. The Commies (soviet style) wanted the state to provide for all and owned the industry.

Nationalism is a separate issue all together, and more of a control mechanism. If you are really proud to be from Tonga, and you are taught and convinced that your people are the best there is, and the highest form of human, it's only natural that you would take the rest of the world over.

The thing that made the Nazi's and Commies so bad was their propensity toward totalitarianism and the loss of personal liberties of their citizens. Both pretend to be for the workers, and ended in an oligarchy. There have even been a few democracies that have been totalitarian.

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Try editing it; The English version of Wikipedia is pretty solid.

Nationalism is ultra right-wing.
So Soviet Russia wasn't nationalist? Red China wasn't nationalist? North Korea isn't nationalist? Cuba isn't nationalist? Saddam's Iraq wasn't nationalist? France isn't nationalist? Right, of course, Hitler betrayed Stalin's Russia and there's no way a real Marxist could not love and worship the leftist utopia with all his heart.
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No muslims = No terrorism
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Sure thing... tell that to the westboro baptist church, Branch Davidians, KKK, Army of God, Scott Roeder, Eric Rudolph, and so on and so on.

I know you want to say they aren't real Christians. But they are. Willing to sacrifice their very lives for what they believe. They would contend that YOU aren't the true Christians because you are willing to put some skin in the game.
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Okay...you lost me. What terrorist acts have the westboro baptists and Branch Davidians carried out? You mean to say they're blowing up buses of school kids and flying Boeing aircraft into builidings, too...?

Last I knew the KKK and Eric Rudolph had been hunted down and shot or jailed by....(drum roll, please)...by their own "kind". You're saying there are statutorily-created anti-terrorist law enforcement personnel in muslim countries who are hunting down and shooting/imprisoning their own "kind"?
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Christians and Jews have done their fair share of murder throughout the centuries. Each religion is just as guilty as the other.
That coexist moral relativism crap is bringing about the downfall of Western Europe as we speak.
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Well...hate to tell you, relying on the SPLC for honest info about terrorism, is like relying on Snopes for unbiased info about Democrat politicians. Color me skeptical.

So...when did the Westboro Baptist loonies, or the Branch Davidians fly Boeing aircraft into buildings, or carry out gun-and-grenades attacks at a local school, hospital or hotel?
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