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Old 09-26-2012, 05:42   #301
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Trew2life, I recant my statement. You are one of the 47% that Romney said he did not need focus his campaign on. You will vote for Obama no matter what.
That does appear to be the case - I also posted a while back, under the assumption that he was not one of the 47% voting for the guy who will give them the best handouts. I was wrong.
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Old 09-26-2012, 05:44   #302
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Your point? Romney's donations are to private charities, not merely "tax deductible entities". His returns are specific on this, as is the PWC affidavit regarding his past two decades of returns.

Why is it so hard for you to simply acknowledge the fact that Romney does, in fact, give a great deal of his private wealth to charity?
I don't know that he disbelieves it, but, as he has posted, every penny the wealthy give to charities is tax deductible, so it doesn't go to welfare recipients. Those living off the government handouts look at charitable giving as stealing from their entitlements.
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Old 09-26-2012, 11:17   #303
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It doesn't change the fact that Mitt Romney doesn't worry about me if I fall within the 47% margin. Point Blank.
I would ask these simple questions.

Why are you in that 47%?

What are you doing to get out of that 47%

What limits you to being in that 47%? Are you not capable of better?

If you are capable of better, then it is laziness that prevents you from doing better?
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Old 09-26-2012, 15:41   #304
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Unless '42%' is Right wing code for, "We don't mean you. We mean the other guy", I fall into one or more of the demographic models of people described.

'Those who pay no federal income tax'
That's me. Even though I've worked and paid federal taxes for 30+ years I have never owed the federal government taxes. Not surprising, 9 out of 10 Americans are just like me. People who earn a good living (but still below 50K p/yr). Am I supposed to feel guilty about not owing a federal tax?

People who get federal benefits? That's me, too (or hope to soon be). I've been paying into social security and medicare. At the end of the day, I do believe I am entitled to health care and "you name it".

Other than that, I don't get entitlements. Everything I own and consume is bought and paid for and I would bet my life that I am living just as good (if not better) than many of you. But it still wouldn't be good enough earn Mitts 'worry'.
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Old 09-26-2012, 15:44   #305
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Problem #1 in this country no matter what your political views.
Damn skippy. After I paid 30+ years into the system.
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Looks like more of the "47%" is rejecting Romney. He's losing points in key states: OH, FL, and PA. If his goal was to attract the 5-10 percent in the middle, his message of 47% was too broad. If he actually meant to disparge the 600K or so who are actually cheating and abusing the system, that number is much lower than 47. More like 2. I wouldn't be surprised to hear this issue raised as question no.1 at the first debate.
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Old 09-26-2012, 16:20   #308
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Ohio must be in the 47% Looks like Romney is going to loose OH. Rush said today that if the polls are right, the election is over
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Old 09-26-2012, 16:29   #309
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I could not care less about Mitt Romney's charitable donations. I did not inject that into this thread. I no more believe Mitt Romney's 2 tax returns than the Right believes in Obama's birth certificate.
Soo you thinks it's more plausible that a man running for president would somehow lie on his taxes, knowing that every CPA in America will be going over them with a fine toothed comb to find any mistake.

You are not thinking. Work the problem and you will find the answer.

We cannot sustain this level of freeloading.
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Old 09-26-2012, 17:07   #310
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Soo you thinks it's more plausible that a man running for president would somehow lie on his taxes, knowing that every CPA in America will be going over them with a fine toothed comb to find any mistake.

I wouldn't exactly term it as, 'lying'. That's the beauty of our tax code. It can be so easily manipulated by the wealthy. They can basically pick a tax rate that they want to pay and work out the tax code around it. Are you familiar with Mitt Romney's involvement with the 'Son of Boss' tax evasion? Plus, Mitt so graciously pays more tax in 2011 than he legally owes? Who really does that? So, no ... I am not surprised he hasn't released more tax returns for review.

You are not thinking. Work the problem and you will find the answer.

If Mitt Romney is the answer, the question must be stupid.

We cannot sustain this level of freeloading.
Of all the things that weigh heavy on our national debt, who's got compassion for the 30% of seniors and 18% of children that get SNAP? SMH
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Old 09-26-2012, 17:52   #311
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Ohio must be in the 47% Looks like Romney is going to loose OH. Rush said today that if the polls are right, the election is over
Ehh...don't get too down on yourself. It ain't over til it's over. Lets wait and call it in November.




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Damn skippy. After I paid 30+ years into the system.
You keep proving Romney correct with every post you make in this thread.
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Old 09-27-2012, 07:12   #313
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Looks like more of the "47%" is rejecting Romney. He's losing points in key states: OH, FL, and PA. If his goal was to attract the 5-10 percent in the middle, his message of 47% was too broad. If he actually meant to disparge the 600K or so who are actually cheating and abusing the system, that number is much lower than 47. More like 2. I wouldn't be surprised to hear this issue raised as question no.1 at the first debate.
The people who are working and paying taxes know who he is talking about. That's the crowd I hang out with, and I haven't heard one single person who didn't like what Romney said.

My former step-daughter, with her illegitimate kids, her refusal to work, and her insistence on getting lifetime food stamps, medical care, and free cigarettes, would probably be highly offended.
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The people who are working and paying taxes know who he is talking about. That's the crowd I hang out with, and I haven't heard one single person who didn't like what Romney said.

My former step-daughter, with her illegitimate kids, her refusal to work, and her insistence on getting lifetime food stamps, medical care, and free cigarettes, would probably be highly offended.
People tend to be offended when you tell the truth about them.
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Old 09-27-2012, 09:16   #315
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Damn skippy. After I paid 30+ years into the system.
Fine, at 65, everyone gets a lump sum check that is the amount of what they paid into the system. We do that now and that would solve the Social Security Crisis.

Trust me, what you put into it would not last you a year. What you put into the system is nothing compared to what you get out of it.
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Old 09-27-2012, 09:32   #316
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Fine, at 65, everyone gets a lump sum check that is the amount of what they paid into the system. We do that now and that would solve the Social Security Crisis.

Trust me, what you put into it would not last you a year. What you put into the system is nothing compared to what you get out of it.
I like this idea, quite a bit. It will force people to at least try to build their own retirement, or ensure they have people they can depend on if they are in need (ie family, friends. Not Joe Taxpayer).
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:50   #317
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SS is the poor and middle class man's retirement and disability account. If you become disable you can draw. If you die your wife and kids might be able to draw a monthly check to survive.
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SS is the poor and middle class man's retirement and disability account. If you become disable you can draw. If you die your wife and kids might be able to draw a monthly check to survive.
This would be assuming that the person in this senario doesn't have any life insurance, any type of 401K or stock portfolio, and that the wife has none of the above as well? Due to all those things, eveyone else must be forced to pitch in and help?!
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The problem with SS and Medicare is politicians can not stop using the funds for other stuff. Like Obama grab 700 bn medicare to fund Obamacare.

Obamacare is not affordable. He will have to rob funds again and again.
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It does not matter how many $ are in SS and Medicare. Politicians will use the funds to buy votes with. The more in the accounts the more they find to spend.
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It does not matter how many $ are in SS and Medicare. Politicians will use the funds to buy votes with. The more in the accounts the more they find to spend.
Unfortunately, I think most here would have to agree with you on that point!
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Ann Coulter appears to be getting on the "Bad Press Express" (presuming this is accurate and not an internet creation, which is always a possibility):

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Edited to add, I just pulled up her Twitter page and it's still showing there, so I guess it's not just made up....
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Of all the things that weigh heavy on our national debt, who's got compassion for the 30% of seniors and 18% of children that get SNAP? SMH
I have figured out how to get the govt to by me a Carrera 4S on your dime. It all starts with being indigent and disabled. Then the govt just gives you money. They key here is earn all your money off shore and have no income in the USA. Then just use off shore ATM cards with small withdrawals. When gman shows up for the large purchases you show him bank statements where the cash came from and they gave it to you. Then just claim to eat ramen noodles.

But trew, thanks for buying me a car....


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You keep proving Romney correct with every post you make in this thread.
And yet Romney's falling poll #'s in key swing states keep proving me right.

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The people who are working and paying taxes know who he is talking about. That's the crowd I hang out with, and I haven't heard one single person who didn't like what Romney said.

My former step-daughter, with her illegitimate kids, her refusal to work, and her insistence on getting lifetime food stamps, medical care, and free cigarettes, would probably be highly offended.
Just because a group of people who you know all have the same idea doesn't make it a good idea. I work. I pay taxes and I know who Mitts talking about too and I don't like it.

With all due respects, it's people like your former step-daughter to whom Romney was referring, but there aren't 47% of 'her-kind' in the voting poll. Not even in the die-hard Obama voting poll. That's the problem. Romney was describing a very small percentage of people, but painted such a wide and indistinguishable picture of 47%. It should be more like 2. He pissed off a lot of hard working Americans and the polls reflect it.

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Fine, at 65, everyone gets a lump sum check that is the amount of what they paid into the system. We do that now and that would solve the Social Security Crisis.

Trust me, what you put into it would not last you a year. What you put into the system is nothing compared to what you get out of it.
The feds have no business being in the individual retirement planning business in the first place (unless you're a government employee). Other than that, it shouldn't be the governments concern to provide for individual retirement.

That said .. I have paid into the system for 30+ years and mamma ain't raised no fool. Either pay me my money or give me my benefits. I'm supposed to feel guilty about that??
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Ooh Mittens, just when things couldn't get any worse, what on earth have you done now, or rather, a long time ago:
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...earch-edition/
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