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Old 09-28-2012, 08:35   #151
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The number 1 reason I think they are wrong:

1) No WAY my life is this good on accident.

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I take this to mean you believe in God because your life is so great?

So what about someone's life that is proportionately as bad? Someone born with disfigurements, with disabilities that make even the simplest task like eating or going to the bathroom something which requires the assistance of someone else? A life that is so hard and so without joy that death is often preferable? Where's God at then? Why does he favor you more than they? Did you do the right dance? Say the right words? Sing the right songs? Was it something your parents did to honor him and gain his favor? If this is true... I hate your God for what he allows to happen to others. Your God should be destroyed for his cruelty.
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Old 09-28-2012, 08:43   #152
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"You're the cause of most of the world's evils. You have no idea how much you grate on people and if you get a hint you attribute it to people being deceived by Satan because you couldn't possibly be wrong about anything. "

I can't be personally responsible for the world's evils, so I'm assuming you are really talking to 'you [religious] people' and not me personally. If I'm merely articulating a Theological position (as far as I know, that's all I'm doing), and it bothers you, the problem may be with the Theology, and not with me.

It's a given that if you're an atheist and I'm a Christian, we will not have a meeting of the minds philosophically. But we know that going in, so if we have a dialogue, it is guaranteed to end in disagreement. But it doesn't have to end in incivility. I don't feel I've done anything to deliberatly offend you. I'd say the same things to anyone. As I said earlier, I say what I believe to be true, and I don't filter it to avoid sounding like a know-it-all. This evidently comes across as pride to you, but I'm just standing on my convictions. I'm asserting that the sky is blue. If you don't believe it's blue, you can tell me what color you think it is, and we can discuss it.

You mentioned that my ideas grate. You've said similar things in other posts.

Imagine being a Christian here, and reading the constant stream of slander against God, Jesus, and people of faith. Imagine hearing people say that what you believe is 'mythology;' that there's no 'evidence' or 'proof' for the thing you reckon to be the Truest of Truths. The most demeaning treatment of God is quite possibily an assertion that He doesn't even exist, and you guys enjoy expressing that atheist view. I could say you sound 'proud' to hold that view, and a little superior toward the poor unenlightened souls who haven't evolved to where you are. Be honest, it sounds like that. You are as firmly persuaded of the truth of your position as I am of mine. You talk down to people of faith as if they're backward misfits with emotional insecurities that make them cling to a superstition. You push every Christian button I can think of, and whan I stand on my convictions, I'm proud, arrogant, and responsible for the evils in the world.

Let's both look in that mirror.

I'll make an effort not to sound cavalier or superior. It's the best I can do. I mean no harm, and I take none. But I know what I'm talking about. You don't have to believe it, but the confidence in my tone is just that. Confidence, not condescension. If it is real condescension, I apologize.
You're humble and proud of it. If you tell me something than I must belive it because you never lie and you're always right. You're right because God tells you that you're right. You're me thirty years ago. You start with the primise that everything you belive is the absoluth truth. Through that broken prism everything you read, see, hear, or think validates that belief. Your screen name is appropiate.

There's not a shred of reliable evidence to support your beliefs. Your "No true Scottsman" argument has been refuted here endlessly. I'm not going to explain it again. You can look it up if you want to.

As people become more logical and less superstitious they begin to see through the smoke screen that people like you throw up. You don't worship God. You make God in your own image and worship yourself. That's why people are abandoning religion. I like and respect some of the Christians or otherwise spiritual people in this forum. I have no use for self worship.
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Old 09-28-2012, 08:48   #153
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Read Solzhenitsyn's, "The Gulag Archipeligo", to see what happens in your dreamed-up atheist 'paradise'. One hundred million innocent men, women, and children murdered in the name of Godless (Atheist) Communism in the 20th century. God holds men responsible for their actions. When you guys think God doesn't exist, you may think you can get away with butchering humans wholesale, as the communist atheist horror show demonstrates. Atheist murderers who murder as if there's no God seem not to ever consider what if they're wrong.
No Atheist has ever killed a human being because they were Atheist. Ever, not one.

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but ideas of Him do change. Our Western ideas of God have been influenced by 3 main points of view: the Jewish one, the Greek one, and the Christian one, which synthesized the Jewish idea of God as Creator and Sovereign with the Greek idea of God as substance ("pure form", uncreated Creator of the universe, intelligent, perfect and transcendent). Christians see God as our personal Father, three persons in one, with Whom we can have communion and fellowship.
Your God is an invention of man. Just like all the rest.

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Jesus said let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Do you think you are without sin? No Christian does, and no Christian stones anybody, your lies to the contrary notwithstanding. Your Muslims, OTOH, often stone women to death even in our modern times.
There is no such thing as sin. It is also a man made concept like your God. There are things that are crimes, and things that are not. We as as society decide upon what those things are. look at abortion for example. Your book would tend to think this is a sin. But it isn't illegal. Think what you want of it's morality. No one cares what you think. You, nor your God are going to stop it.

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The movie, 'The Stoning of Soraya M.', was made in 2008, based on French-Iranian journalist Freidoune Sahebjam's 1990 book about a real-life injustice (so typical of Islamic sharia law) set in 1986 Iran. If what you claim about Christianity being just as bad as Islam is true, then you should be able to point to a similar truthful movie about Christians stoning innocent women to death.
Movies? Just pick up a history book. Ever hear of the ordeal by water? Ordeal by fire? Crusades? Witch Hunts? Inquisitions? And just the sheer millions that were tortured and murdered for heresy or what have you during the dark ages? People that were hanged for not paying proper tribute. Women who were murdered for practicing the traditions of the "Wise Women" who were branded as witches. And let's not forget the piles of little boy's hind ends that have been ravaged by priests. Just pick up a history book. There is far more blood that flows from than cross than just that of Christ's.
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Old 09-28-2012, 09:06   #154
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Honestly, I wish I were wrong. I really do wish that there were a god out there that could be relied upon to do the right thing for us. I was a believer for the first 38 years of my life and I do miss the (illusory) certainty it provided, but the evidence just isn't there to support such a conclusion.
I think most recovering Christians do. The brainwashing is really difficult to overcome. The angst of pretending to believe when you realize you don't and can't make yourself believe has to overcome the angst of admitting everything you thought you knew is wrong. That a very humbling experience. It strips all the pride and cockiness right out of you.

Of course, the Calvinist will say that's predestination. That's a dodge to keep them from wondering if they might be wrong about their beliefs. God knew I was going to turn away but he put me in the world so I could die and suffer eternal torment. That's a God of love? That's a God worthy of worship?
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You cannot prove gods existence to an atheist anymore than you can disprove his existence to a Christian. Faith is just that. Believing without seeing. Believing without hard evidence because you know there's a higher power than yourself at work in the universe. This argument is null and void, there will never be anyone saying you're right when they believe and you do not. The whole argument and all this back and forth is a waste of time.


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Old 09-28-2012, 11:16   #156
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That is exactly the way a caveman thinks. Congratulations.
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"No, I couldn't find any truthful movie about Christians stoning innocent (or guilty for that matter) women to death. So I'm forced to admit that all my claims about Christianity being just as bad as Islam are completely bogus. Sorry for my arrogance and ignorance. -Glock36shooter"
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I take this to mean you believe in God because your life is so great?

So what about someone's life that is proportionately as bad? Someone born with disfigurements, with disabilities that make even the simplest task like eating or going to the bathroom something which requires the assistance of someone else? A life that is so hard and so without joy that death is often preferable? Where's God at then? Why does he favor you more than they? Did you do the right dance? Say the right words? Sing the right songs? Was it something your parents did to honor him and gain his favor? If this is true... I hate your God for what he allows to happen to others. Your God should be destroyed for his cruelty.
You need some schoolin'. Actually, you need a lot of schoolin', but here's just enough to get you started.

Blessed Margaret of Castello, 1287-1320AD, is the patron saint of Disabilities. Her life is one of the most heart-wrenching stories in the roster of saints. She was born blind and with severe curvature of the spine, her right leg was an inch and a half shorter than her left, and her left arm was malformed. She never grew taller than four feet.

Her parents kept little Margaret hidden away in their house in Metola, in the Italian province of Umbria. When Margaret was 6, the family went to a shrine at Castello, hoping for a miracle. When none took place, her mother and father abandoned her.

Some women of Castello found the terrified child and took care of her until they could arrange for her adoption. A husband and wife, Venfarino and Grigia, adopted Margaret and treated her with love and kindness as their own daughter. She appears to have spent the rest of her life with them.

Margaret's disabilities did not make her bitter; rather, she became one of the most generous, sympathetic people in Castello. She nursed the sick, consoled the dying, and visited prisoners. She regarded her own disabilities as a means to unite her pain with the suffering that Christ endured on the cross. Her courage, patience, and deep religious devotion won her the affection of everyone in town.

Do you still "hate God for what He allows to happen"? Are you getting past any of your appalling arrogance yet? Is there any glimmer yet in your blighted dark soul, any inkling yet that just maybe God knows what He is doing? Can you scrape together enough humility to even begin giving due respect to the enormous virtue of Blessed Margaret of Castello?
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Old 09-28-2012, 11:51   #158
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"No, I couldn't find any truthful movie about Christians stoning innocent (or guilty for that matter) women to death. So I'm forced to admit that all my claims about Christianity being just as bad as Islam are completely bogus. Sorry for my arrogance and ignorance. -Glock36shooter"
Dude, I don't watch movies like that. I watch movies to be entertained. I can definitely tell you about what went down between Boba Fett and Han Solo at Cloud City. But I have absolutely no desire to watch a movie about Christians and what they do.

As I said, pick up a damn history book if you want to learn about Christian's being horrible people. They definitely have been. Each of the three major religions have their fair share of blood on there hands.

Again, all this will become less and less important as religion dies out in this country. Every new generation gives less and less a crap about your ancients nonsense.
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You need some schoolin'. Actually, you need a lot of schoolin', but here's just enough to get you started.

Blessed Margaret of Castello, 1287-1320AD, is the patron saint of Disabilities. Her life is one of the most heart-wrenching stories in the roster of saints. She was born blind and with severe curvature of the spine, her right leg was an inch and a half shorter than her left, and her left arm was malformed. She never grew taller than four feet.

Her parents kept little Margaret hidden away in their house in Metola, in the Italian province of Umbria. When Margaret was 6, the family went to a shrine at Castello, hoping for a miracle. When none took place, her mother and father abandoned her.

Some women of Castello found the terrified child and took care of her until they could arrange for her adoption. A husband and wife, Venfarino and Grigia, adopted Margaret and treated her with love and kindness as their own daughter. She appears to have spent the rest of her life with them.

Margaret's disabilities did not make her bitter; rather, she became one of the most generous, sympathetic people in Castello. She nursed the sick, consoled the dying, and visited prisoners. She regarded her own disabilities as a means to unite her pain with the suffering that Christ endured on the cross. Her courage, patience, and deep religious devotion won her the affection of everyone in town.

Do you still "hate God for what He allows to happen"? Are you getting past any of your appalling arrogance yet? Is there any glimmer yet in your blighted dark soul, any inkling yet that just maybe God knows what He is doing? Can you scrape together enough humility to even begin giving due respect to the enormous virtue of Blessed Margaret of Castello?
I read this and couldn't help but note the religious parents who treated her like crap and abandoned her. They were Christian's right?

So some really nice people adopted her and cared for her? She was a good person and nursed some people? That is nice, but what about it is suppose to prove god? Wasn't all of at possible without god?
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You need some schoolin'. Actually, you need a lot of schoolin', but here's just enough to get you started.

Blessed Margaret of Castello, 1287-1320AD, is the patron saint of Disabilities. Her life is one of the most heart-wrenching stories in the roster of saints. She was born blind and with severe curvature of the spine, her right leg was an inch and a half shorter than her left, and her left arm was malformed. She never grew taller than four feet.

Her parents kept little Margaret hidden away in their house in Metola, in the Italian province of Umbria. When Margaret was 6, the family went to a shrine at Castello, hoping for a miracle. When none took place, her mother and father abandoned her.
Good Christian parents indeed.

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She regarded her own disabilities as a means to unite her pain with the suffering that Christ endured on the cross.
Funny how he didn't seem to give a damn about her.

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Do you still "hate God for what He allows to happen"?
Actually in reality I don't really believe in a God. My statement was clear that if such a being did exist then yes... I'd hate him. And I would seek to destroy him. Because such a being would be cruel and hateful and deserve nothing but the disgust of his creation. Luckily no such being exists.

What does your little story have to do with anything? So a crippled woman is desperate enough to believe in God because she was so miserable she needed something positive to believe in. Again, this is the security blanket that religion offers. It makes people feel like Santa Claus is looking out for them. And to that end I wouldn't try and take that away from a disabled person if it brought them a little peace. But it doesn't make it true in the slightest.

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Are you getting past any of your appalling arrogance yet? Is there any glimmer yet in your blighted dark soul
Grrrr Rarrr! LOL I'm evil! Your God is a joke to me these days. I'm so glad that I no longer see the world through such narrow, and ignorant eyes anymore. The eyes of the religious.

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any inkling yet that just maybe God knows what He is doing? Can you scrape together enough humility to even begin giving due respect to the enormous virtue of Blessed Margaret of Castello?
No. She was a poor disfigured woman that needed to have something to believe in. It brought her peace to think she was loved by at least someone. But she was still delusional. Wonderful story that she took care of others. But that had nothing to do with God... it had to do with how beautiful a person she was inside. That came from her. Not God. All praise be to HER... your invented god had nothing to do with it.

And still you're not even grasping the level of disability I'm talking about. Sure this woman was disfigured and that's awful. But there are people who can't do anything but sit in a chair or lay in a bed and wait for death. They watch as their friends have careers, get married, start families, and live happy lives, while they're stuck in their chair or bed waiting for death. Their life has no richness, little joy, no hope for a brighter future. They can't even go out and be involved in helping others because they can't do anything. And some days they just wished they would go ahead and die so they can get it over with. Do you know any people like this? I do. I see nothing of God in their life. And if Jesus loves them so much why is he incapable of showing them the same amount of compassion I would? Why am I a superior moral being to Christ? Had I the power to help them... I wouldn't hesitate. Why does this loving perfect being of yours do nothing? Two possibilities... 1. He doesn't exist and their disability is just the result of some bad genes and DNA with some errors in it. OR 2. Your intelligent designer is a screw up, cares nothing for his creation, sees one in pain, has the power to help, yet chooses NOT too, and instead watches them suffer.

If number 2 was even remotely possible... your God is a selfish, hateful, evil piece of garbage and deserves no respect or worship from me.

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I read this and couldn't help but note the religious parents who treated her like crap and abandoned her. They were Christian's right?

So some really nice people adopted her and cared for her? She was a good person and nursed some people? That is nice, but what about it is suppose to prove god? Wasn't all of at possible without god?
Christians are not all infallible saints, in case you hadn't noticed. But certainly neither are atheists. The "really nice people" who adopted her were Christians living their faith.

Can people do good without God? I doubt it. God plants a conscience in each of us; tempts us to do good, if you will. He gives us strength to overcome adversity and overcome the temptation to do evil, if we ask for this strength. "Suffering is good for the soul" -old Russian proverb. That idea comes through in Solzhenitsyn's writings. Modern leftists tend to hate Solzhenitsyn, I guess because he warmed of the dangers of materialism and the worship of science. Margaret of Castello, and Saint Therese of Lisieux, who died of tuberculosis at 24, had this spiritual strength. Drunks who turn to God and away from the bottle also have this strength.

Atheists are materialists. They may be hedonists, "existing solely to consume drugs and sex", as one blogger put it. The Bible says, "what profiteth it a man if he gain the whole world and lose his soul". We need to rise above egotism and greed, help the feeble and defenseless (perhaps victims of Islamic tyranny, for example), not just spend all of our energy accumulating material possessions. Being an extreme secularist, focusing only on pleasures and material possessions won't satisfy man's deepest longings. Believing in God, and following His laws, will make human living as rich as possible in the here and now, and will give confidence and hope toward the afterlife.
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Atheists are materialists. They may be hedonists, "existing solely to consume drugs and sex", as one blogger put it. The Bible says, "what profiteth it a man if he gain the whole world and lose his soul". We need to rise above egotism and greed, help the feeble and defenseless (perhaps victims of Islamic tyranny, for example), not just spend all of our energy accumulating material possessions. Being an extreme secularist, focusing only on pleasures and material possessions won't satisfy man's deepest longings. Believing in God, and following His laws, will make human living as rich as possible in the here and now, and will give confidence and hope toward the afterlife.
Most of this paragraph is false. I could have made substantially more money if I had put my career ahead of my family, but my family was more important. The only drugs I take are prescription and I drink less than a glass of wine or beer a day. I have no problem with people who use drugs or drink more. It just doesn't fit my lifestyle. Does that sound like egotism or greed to you? Does it sound like someone focused on material possessions? I accept most of the morality of the New Testament. I just reject the supernatural aspect.


The people in the Middle East have been killing each other since Cain killed Able. It's egotistical to think that you or I or any power on Earth can stop them from killing each other today. There are no good answers to the problems in the Middle East. Thinking there are is simplistic.
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Most of this paragraph is false.
As I'm sure you are aware, most of his post is a self-prescribed delusion to resolve his own internal cognitive dissonance. He can't reconcile the possibility of moral people existing outside his mythos system with his predetermined worldview, so to reconcile the contradiction he paints all atheists with the broad hedonistic brush. It is far easier for him than confronting his internal angst over the possibility that he may be wrong (as you previously described).
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Atheists are materialists. They may be hedonists, "existing solely to consume drugs and sex", as one blogger put it.
You know the funny part? I did all of my drinking and drugs in my youth... when I was a Christian. And even then it wasn't much. These days, I'll have a single alcoholic beverage maybe once every three months or so. I do ZERO drugs. In fact I can physically show you at least 1,000 christians in under 3 hours that drink and drug more than I. Come visit sometime, and I'll show you.

As for Sex... god was an idiot to make that feel so awesome. I refuse to apologize for enjoying that. If he only meant it to be for procreation he should have made it painful.. or only mildly entertaining. But he chose to make it the single greatest physical sensation we have. That was his idea. And I thank him for it. LMAO.

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The Bible says, "what profiteth it a man if he gain the whole world and lose his soul". We need to rise above egotism and greed, help the feeble and defenseless (perhaps victims of Islamic tyranny, for example), not just spend all of our energy accumulating material possessions. Being an extreme secularist, focusing only on pleasures and material possessions won't satisfy man's deepest longings. Believing in God, and following His laws, will make human living as rich as possible in the here and now, and will give confidence and hope toward the afterlife.
Maybe you're right. Let us sell EVERYTHING we own and give it to the poor. You first. Lead by example big boy.

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Lots of Bill Maher wanna-be's here in this particular forum. I'm all for freedom and I don't care what you atheists believe but do you think that posting your views and beating down Christians in a religious forum is the right thing to do? You may not believe in god (your loss) but at least try to be decent and act like an American and allow those with views to discuss their beliefs without your incessant heckling.




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The people in the Middle East have been killing each other since Cain killed Able. It's egotistical to think that you or I or any power on Earth can stop them from killing each other today. There are no good answers to the problems in the Middle East. Thinking there are is simplistic.
Jefferson said we get to have "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". Islam denies us all 3, if we keep letting them immigrate here in droves. Dearborn already effectively has sharia law.

"There are no good answers"? Excuse me, but yes, there are a few good ones to begin with:

1) Kick the Muslim out of our White House no later than this November.

2) Stop Muslim immigration.

3) Stop giving them "aid". One lawmaker got it right yesterday: Rep. Kay Granger, R-Texas, House committee chairwoman, blocked Obama's $450 million cash grant to Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood govt. God bless her!

4) Firmly reject Islamo-Progressive efforts to end our freedom of speech. Yesterday, Turkey's Foreign Minister at the UN said Islamophobia (i.e. speaking the truth about bloody Islam) "can no longer be tolerated under the guise of freedom of expression".

Islam is darkness. It can be vanquished with the light of truth -that's why they hate and fear freedom of speech. John noted, "In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in the darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not". (John 1:4,5)

5) Also firmly reject Islamo-Progressive efforts to violate our children. In Montreal recently, a Muslim mother tried to knife her 19-year-old daughter to death for staying out all night, "Then I stab her, stab her neck. She said, 'No Mom!' I said, 'It's for your good. Let me finish.'"

Mohammed 'married' Aisha when he was 54 and she was 6.
Ayatollah Khomeini married a 10-year-old girl when he was 28.
The Koran says Islamic divorce procedures "shall apply to those who have not yet menstruated" (65:4). This means pre-pubescent girls can get divorced, which in turn means that they must have been able to get married first.
Yesterday in Egypt, Sheikh Yassir Barhami reiterated, "It is permissible for the girl at the age of 9 or 10 to marry".

'Honor' killings and child marriage have no place in civilized society.
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Lots of Bill Maher wanna-be's here in this particular forum. I'm all for freedom and I don't care what you atheists believe but do you think that posting your views and beating down Christians in a religious forum is the right thing to do? You may not believe in god (your loss) but at least try to be decent and act like an American and allow those with views to discuss their beliefs without your incessant heckling.
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Old 09-29-2012, 07:51   #168
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Lots of Bill Maher wanna-be's here in this particular forum. I'm all for freedom and I don't care what you atheists believe but do you think that posting your views and beating down Christians in a religious forum is the right thing to do? You may not believe in god (your loss) but at least try to be decent and act like an American and allow those with views to discuss their beliefs without your incessant heckling.
It isn't a religious forum, it's a religious issues forum. Why does that escape so many people?
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Old 09-29-2012, 07:52   #169
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Jefferson said we get to have "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". Islam denies us all 3, if we keep letting them immigrate here in droves. Dearborn already effectively has sharia law.
I feel the need to ask, yet again, how strong can your position be if you can only support it with these kinds of blatant lies?
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Old 09-29-2012, 08:03   #170
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I feel the need to ask, yet again, how strong can your position be if you can only support it with these kinds of blatant lies?
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Old 09-29-2012, 08:29   #171
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With all due respect. Why in the hell would a Christian go to a Muslim festival and pick a fight? They were telling these people that the religion that they had been indoctrinated with since their birth would land them in hell. I would expect to get my ass beat if I were stupid enough to do something like that. I am sure they went away excited that they had been counted worthy to suffer for Christ, while Christ himself was probably doing a face palm.
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Old 09-29-2012, 09:08   #172
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Snowbird...

With all due respect. Why in the hell would a Christian go to a Muslim festival and pick a fight? They were telling these people that the religion that they had been indoctrinated with since their birth would land them in hell. I would expect to get my ass beat if I were stupid enough to do something like that. I am sure they went away excited that they had been counted worthy to suffer for Christ, while Christ himself was probably doing a face palm.
MaxxAction...

With all due respect, why the heck would a free people (well, half of us anyway) be so stupid as to import hordes of fascist colonizers with a 14 century track record of waging wars and committing genocides in order to impose their tyranny, including the abolition of free speech?

My copy of the Bill of Rights doesn't limit free speech to only those places that Muslims allow it. Apparently yours does?

Since 2001, the UN, the U.S. Dept of State's Office of Refugee Resettlement, and immigration advocates including religious organizations, have been dhimmis, answering the desires expressed by Muslims in Somalia, and bringing thousands into the U.S.A. But these people aren't here to become American. They're here to take over.

Lib dhimmis call it being "humanitarian" (bringing in large numbers of them and giving them welfare).

The result?

Violence and social conflict is on the rise where large groups of Muslims have settled (colonized us) in:
-Minneapolis
-Seattle
-Nashville
-Shelbyville, TN
-Garden City, KS
-Emporia, KS
-St. Louis
-Greely, Colorado
-and, of course, Dearborn, MI

Islam teaches them it's okay to lie to, cheat, steal from, rape, enslave, and murder infidels because infidels are scum. And Leftists follow their Cloward-Piven/Alinsky strategy of bringing about a crisis to crash our form of government.

We need to stop tolerating evil, both Islamic and 'progressive' (progress towards the collapse of the West, towards hell).
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Old 09-29-2012, 09:15   #173
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Dearborn already effectively has sharia law.
Really? Please show us. Examples. Facts.

That, folks, is a damn lie. And you sir, are a damn liar.

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Old 09-29-2012, 09:35   #174
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Jefferson said we get to have "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". Islam denies us all 3, if we keep letting them immigrate here in droves. Dearborn already effectively has sharia law.

"There are no good answers"? Excuse me, but yes, there are a few good ones to begin with:

1) Kick the Muslim out of our White House no later than this November.
He's not a Muslim.
That won't stop them from killing each other.
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2) Stop Muslim immigration.
Blow up the Statue of Liberty while you're at it. That won't stop them from killing each other.
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3) Stop giving them "aid". One lawmaker got it right yesterday: Rep. Kay Granger, R-Texas, House committee chairwoman, blocked Obama's $450 million cash grant to Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood govt. God bless her!
I agree. We've been paying Muslim countries to not attack Israel long enough. That won't stop them from killing each other.
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4) Firmly reject Islamo-Progressive efforts to end our freedom of speech. Yesterday, Turkey's Foreign Minister at the UN said Islamophobia (i.e. speaking the truth about bloody Islam) "can no longer be tolerated under the guise of freedom of expression".
We reject Islamo-Progressive efforts to end our freedom of speech by ending theirs? You only support Freedom of Speech when you're talikng. There are limitations on freedom of speech http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoutin...rowded_theater That won't stop them from killing each other.
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Islam is darkness. It can be vanquished with the light of truth
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Also firmly reject Islamo-Progressive efforts to violate our children. In Montreal recently, a Muslim mother tried to knife her 19-year-old daughter to death for staying out all night, "Then I stab her, stab her neck. She said, 'No Mom!' I said, 'It's for your good. Let me finish.'"
Is it that you can't read or that you can't think? They're not threatening “our children”. In any case, it's against the law to kill your children in Canada. How could it be further rejected?
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Mohammed 'married' Aisha when he was 54 and she was 6.
Ayatollah Khomeini married a 10-year-old girl when he was 28.
David Koresh, a Christian did the same thing. Jerry Lee Lewis, a Christian, married his 13 year old cousin. And this was just in the last few decades. Not several centuries ago. Warren Jeffs, a Christian, recently went to jail for similar activities.
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The Koran says Islamic divorce procedures "shall apply to those who have not yet menstruated" (65:4). This means pre-pubescent girls can get divorced, which in turn means that they must have been able to get married first.
You're an authority on the Quran ? I doubt it.
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Yesterday in Egypt, Sheikh Yassir Barhami reiterated, "It is permissible for the girl at the age of 9 or 10 to marry".
So now you want to limit freedom of speech in Egypt? Make up your mind.
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'Honor' killings and child marriage have no place in civilized society.
Some people think capitol punishment have no place in civilized society. Some people think spanking has no place in civilized society. Some people think what happens in other people's countries is none of our business. You give the forced abortions in Chain a pass. Guess you're OK with that.
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Old 09-29-2012, 09:46   #175
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It isn't a religious forum, it's a religious issues forum. Why does that escape so many people?
My friend everything I've read here indicates you have no religion, only issues. Can't really have religious issues without religion. You just wanna throw your views out to make Christians angry and to get a reaction. As intelligent as your arguments sound your basis for posting them is immature at best.


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