Biblical definition of marriage.

High-Gear · 10-03-2012, 00:56

I often hear people say, "The bible defines marriage as being between one man and one woman.".

Could someone tell me where it says this?

I found this amusing post with a video half way down. It describes some of the marriages in the bible.

http://samuel-warde.com/2012/08/bibl...conservatives/

FCoulter · 10-03-2012, 06:36

http://www.ucg.org/files/booklets/pdf/marriage-and-family-the-missing-dimension.pdf

snowbird · 10-03-2012, 08:22

Mark 10: 7-9

"For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."

Glock36shooter · 10-03-2012, 09:20

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Originally Posted by snowbird

Mark 10: 7-9

"For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."

Ain't it funny how more than 50% get put asunder?

High-Gear · 10-03-2012, 09:34

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Originally Posted by snowbird

Mark 10: 7-9

"For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."

This does not say a man can have only one wife.

snowbird · 10-03-2012, 09:49

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Originally Posted by High-Gear

This does not say a man can have only one wife.

"Twain" means "two".

So we have one man, and one wife (that means "woman" -these terms have to be defined in this corrupt age) becoming one flesh ( that means "married"). Now back when I went to school, one plus one equaled two. YMMV, evidently.

Blast · 10-03-2012, 09:59

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Originally Posted by Glock36shooter

Ain't it funny how more than 50% get put asunder?

Ain't it funny how 100% of the 50% put asunder is human caused?

Funny thing human nature.

Blast · 10-03-2012, 10:01

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Originally Posted by High-Gear

This does not say a man can have only one wife.

"cleave to his wife", not wives.

***Geko45*** · 10-03-2012, 10:08

Ain't it funny how theists want the legal definition of marriage to match their interpretation of the bible even though we have separation of church and state in this country?

Brucev · 10-03-2012, 10:11

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Originally Posted by Glock36shooter

Ain't it funny how more than 50% get put asunder?

Funny? Not to those whose marriages fail. Beyond initial attraction, common interest, etc., enduring relationships require hard work. As well long-term marriage is difficult in a post-modern western society that values immediacy over permanence and idolizes the individual over relationship.

Glock36shooter · 10-03-2012, 12:39

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Originally Posted by Blast

Ain't it funny how 100% of the 50% put asunder is human caused?

Funny thing human nature.

Agreed. My point is that it's an outdated concept.

Glock36shooter · 10-03-2012, 12:46

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Originally Posted by Brucev

Funny? Not to those whose marriages fail. Beyond initial attraction, common interest, etc., enduring relationships require hard work. As well long-term marriage is difficult in a post-modern western society that values immediacy over permanence and idolizes the individual over relationship.

People were never meant to mate for life. It's just not in our nature. That's why it's such hard work. You're working against your nature. Men naturally want multiple women. Biblically speaking marriage is about property rights. And that property is the woman. I agree that as far as religion is concerned marriage is only between a man and a woman. But it isn't a bond. It is a right of ownership of a woman. She is passed as the possession of her father to her new owner her husband.

Women are no longer property. And marriage no longer works as an institution. Your's might (With a lot of hard work). But the institution as a whole fails the majority of the time.

Keyhole · 10-03-2012, 13:03

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Originally Posted by snowbird

"Twain" means "two".

So we have one man, and one wife (that means "woman" -these terms have to be defined in this corrupt age) becoming one flesh ( that means "married"). Now back when I went to school, one plus one equaled two. YMMV, evidently.

Ok...but the Gospel of Mark didn't really say that, did it? It said whatever it said in Koine Greek when it was written by an unknown person in or around 70 AD. The original document no longer exists, so what you are referring to is a Koine Greek to English translation of the combination of several surviving, later copies of the Gospel of Mark...copies that happen to disagree with each other in multiple ways (example being significant variants in Mark 16).

pipedreams · 10-03-2012, 13:21

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Originally Posted by Glock36shooter

Agreed. My point is that it's an outdated concept.

Yes, to some people everything is outdated. Marriage, the Constitution, the pledge allegiance, prayer in schools and the list goes on and on.

9jeeps · 10-03-2012, 13:49

HO BOY! Here we go again. Every one I know that goes to church every Saturday or Sunday and studies the Scriptures every day or so have no problem understanding what marriage is.

It's the so called hair splitters and folks who have never sat in a pew or read a page of scripture that seem to have the problem with marriage and most of other life too. If the truth be known.

I have room in my mind to understand there are a few who will study Scripture just to find holes in it. Wherein the biggest hole is betwixed the ears.

FYI!!! Scripture gets studied daily, weekly, monthly, etc for over 2K years. Scripture has stood up to every investigation and still is being sought by Billions. And not all of them are stupid. Wish I could say that about the Baboon Theory.

Glock36shooter · 10-03-2012, 14:04

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Scripture has stood up to every investigation and still is being sought by Billions. And not all of them are stupid. Wish I could say that about the Baboon Theory.

This is simply a lie. It can't even be defended by suggesting you're uneducated. It's just a plain lie.

Glock36shooter · 10-03-2012, 14:06

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Originally Posted by pipedreams

Yes, to some people everything is outdated. Marriage, the Constitution, the pledge allegiance, prayer in schools and the list goes on and on.

Marriage has a greater than 50% failure rate. Would you invest your money in a stock with that kind of success rate? I doubt it.

Prayer never did or ever will have a place in public school. It is child abuse.

Beware Owner · 10-03-2012, 14:06

It's incredible how people just want "new" things for the sake of something new, not because there's any actual value in what they do.

Gunhaver · 10-03-2012, 14:14

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Originally Posted by 9jeeps

FYI!!! Scripture gets studied daily, weekly, monthly, etc for over 2K years. Scripture has stood up to every investigation and still is being sought by Billions. And not all of them are stupid. Wish I could say that about the Baboon Theory.

People are still sending money to Nigerian princes and buying into pyramid schemes so I guess you could say that those things have stood up to every investigation too. Betting everything on a nice story because it makes them feel good. All of them are stupid.

Gunhaver · 10-03-2012, 14:26

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Originally Posted by Glock36shooter

People were never meant to mate for life. It's just not in our nature. That's why it's such hard work. You're working against your nature. Men naturally want multiple women. Biblically speaking marriage is about property rights. And that property is the woman. I agree that as far as religion is concerned marriage is only between a man and a woman. But it isn't a bond. It is a right of ownership of a woman. She is passed as the possession of her father to her new owner her husband.

Women are no longer property. And marriage no longer works as an institution. Your's might (With a lot of hard work). But the institution as a whole fails the majority of the time.

I have 2 girlfriends. Everyone knows the situation and no one is being lied to or cheated on. They call it polyamory but I call it non-monogamy. Does it work? Of course it does because anybody that gets whiny about some need not being met is free to go out and find someone to meet that need. Surprisingly, when you find a couple of un-entitled women that have their own thing going on instead of looking for some man to fulfill her or align themselves with all her goals or any of that other silly garbage that women are brainwashed to do there aren't many problems with jealousy or resentment.

Frankly, I have no interest in all the work that goes into a strong marriage. I much prefer burning off that excess energy in another bedroom. Call me crazy.

Roering · 10-03-2012, 14:27

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Originally Posted by Geko45

Ain't it funny how theists want the legal definition of marriage to match their interpretation of the bible even though we have separation of church and state in this country?

Yes it is. However, the definition of marriage in the State of CA is one man and one woman.

I suspect this will change at some point though.

Roering · 10-03-2012, 14:30

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Originally Posted by Gunhaver

I have 2 girlfriends. Everyone knows the situation and no one is being lied to or cheated on.

Works because your girlfriends also have other boyfriends. I think it lessens the opportunity for intimacy though.

Enjoy the Herpes!

Roering · 10-03-2012, 14:33

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Originally Posted by Geko45

Ain't it funny how theists want the legal definition of marriage to match their interpretation of the bible even though we have separation of church and state in this country?

I honestly don't care what our country defines marriage as in legal terms. As far as I'm concerned the Government has no part in that sacrament.

Gunhaver · 10-03-2012, 15:13

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Originally Posted by Roering

Works because your girlfriends also have other boyfriends. I think it lessens the opportunity for intimacy though.

Enjoy the Herpes!

One has another guy that she's been with for 10 years. The other only has a need for a man in her bed once or twice a week and maybe to help her build a deck or finish her attic. Perfect woman if you ask me.

As for the herpes, it's funny how some think a marriage contract is the only way to avoid that (and just as funny how you come off like that thought has never crossed my mind

).
I got to have a month long fling with the cute checkout girl at the local hippy food store. We went through all the usual checks that any smart people would do if they were going into a monogamous relationship so it's not a problem. Chicks dig fixed blood donors.

OTOH, when you're pretending to be monogamous, there's incentive to lie to your partner when you go outside that arrangement hence the leading cause of most relationships and marriages coming to an end AND the first opportunity to stray is often jumped on without hesitation after years of the same old person day in and day out. That often results in you having sex with a partner who has had sex with someone that you don't know about and without flag raising STD testing being done first.

When the deal from the start is that you do what (and who) you want to do, then you can be open about everything and you save those little month long flings for the ones that are smart enough and willing enough to jump through all the STD testing hoops. No sense in letting 2 awesome women start thinking I'm doing everyone I can get my hands on and risk losing one or both of them.

Schabesbert · 10-03-2012, 15:20

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Originally Posted by Gunhaver

One has another guy that she's been with for 10 years.

And, of course, he certainly wouldn't ever bring an STD to her, I'm sure.

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The other only has a need for a man in her bed once or twice a week and maybe to help her build a deck or finish her attic. Perfect woman if you ask me.

Yep. You've found a couple with pretty low self-esteem. Wonder why?

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I got to have a month long fling with the cute checkout girl at the local hippy food store. We went through all the usual checks that any smart people would do if they were going into a monogamous relationship so it's not a problem. Chicks dig fixed blood donors.

And you're certain here "status" didn't change during that time? Boy, are you gullible.