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Old 12-13-2011, 08:16   #1
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to carry a bug or not to carry a bug?

Hello

I did a search and found some info on this and am re-asking the question
because I am looking for some possibly some new opinions on this.

So if this is a horse beaten to death for you just don't reply don't mean to irritate anyone.

thanks all
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Old 12-13-2011, 08:24   #2
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Sure, why not? If you can conceal a main gun, you probably have some room for a BUG.

I carry my XDm 3.8 9MM on my right side and a P3AT in my left front pocket. That way, there's a gun available to each hand.
If I'm close to people I don't know and have no reason to trust, I just put my left hand in my pocket on the .380. It makes for a fast, sneaky draw.

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Old 12-13-2011, 08:29   #3
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If you can do it, I guess it isnt a problem... I do not however feel the need to... One is enough for me
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Old 12-13-2011, 08:32   #4
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One for each hand ALWAYS. Never know how someone/something can "trap" your hand(s).

And a hand in the pocket, gripping the BUG, doesn't tip anyone off. A lot less than a hand on main weapon in holster.
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Old 12-13-2011, 09:13   #5
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Def carry a BUG. One thing I like about shoulder holsters is the ability to draw with my right or left hand.
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Old 12-13-2011, 11:32   #6
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I carry either a Ruger LCR or LCP in my left front pocket. Glock on the right hip.
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Old 12-13-2011, 11:48   #7
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Yep, if you have a BUG, why not carry? Weak side draw is a good defense if your main CCW is not available. Faster than a mag change, or speedloader anytime. Check Mas Ayoob, or Jim Cirrilo's publications if you have any second thoughts. Your life is entitled to the best tools to survive in this world.
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Old 12-13-2011, 12:02   #8
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Yep, if you have a BUG, why not carry? Weak side draw is a good defense if your main CCW is not available. Faster than a mag change, or speedloader anytime. Check Mas Ayoob, or Jim Cirrilo's publications if you have any second thoughts. Your life is entitled to the best tools to survive in this world.
While I do carry a BUG, I don't think it's any faster to drop the primary, draw the BUG from the pocket with the support hand and either fire or transfer the the dominant hand than it is to do a mag change.
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Old 12-13-2011, 12:54   #9
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I carry 2 S&W J frame 638 and 49 one in my front pant pocket ( right side) and one in my coat pocket ( right side). In black hawk pocket holsters.

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Old 12-13-2011, 12:59   #10
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If you're gonna carry a BUG, it had better be a Noisy Cricket!

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Old 12-13-2011, 13:17   #11
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wasn't it Clint Smith that said 2 is one and one is none?
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Old 12-13-2011, 16:47   #12
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wasn't it Clint Smith that said 2 is one and one is none?
He was talking about 1911's.

But seriously. Why not carry two BUG's? Three? A backup makes sense when you are LE or Mil and your weapon is a first line tool. As a civilian your pistol is at least your third or fourth line of defense. At that level carrying yet another gun is pointless.
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Old 12-13-2011, 17:47   #13
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wasn't it Clint Smith that said 2 is one and one is none?
I recall his quote as: One is none, two is OK and three - "now you have something".
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Old 12-13-2011, 18:13   #14
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I carry a backup on duty, but rarely off-duty. Frankly, I just don't have the pocket space for a backup, with the wallet, badge case, cell phone, knives, keys, etc.
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Old 12-13-2011, 18:33   #15
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I carry a BUG on duty. Rarely carry one off-duty. I do carry a spare magazine off-duty.
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Old 12-13-2011, 19:40   #16
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Old 12-14-2011, 13:16   #17
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I've carried up to 3 at one time.
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Old 12-14-2011, 13:27   #18
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Really! - My G36 (45ACP - Big Bullets!), that I have on my hip as I type this in the dangerous County Library might be viewed by some as not adequate defense or even counted as none? What neighborhoods do y'all travel through? And how many gunfights per week? Not trying to be too critical - but one can sometimes take any concept to a unreasonable level. Have a safe and Merry Christmas.
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Old 12-14-2011, 14:29   #19
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It's not the dangerous neighborhood argument. If it's dangerous, don't go there.

The argument is the same as the Israeli carry, extra mag debate.

1. You probably don't need a gun much
2. If you do, you probably won't shoot it.
3. If it is a some financially motivated crook, deterrence with one gun probably works.
4. But what if you get into a really intensive critical incident - and this does happen:

a. You can't get at your dominant gun - injury or grabbed. Ever notice how folks get shot in the gun hand in FOF?
b. Your primary bellies up. Happens all the time in matches, so it's a possibilty.

Thus, the bug is for the screwup in a really intensive incident. Not the waving a gun at a mugger at a distance who flees.

You decided the risk level you want to deal with. You probably don't need a gun at all.

But if you get into a serious fight - do you want to be prepared for the screwups? There are quite small bugs that probably won't impact you much. Yes, they don't have MEGABLASTER stopping power for that meth head, zombie, giant football coach who is love with you.

I suggest a NAA 22 S minirevolver (that's joke - I have one). A 380, J frame, small 9 - they work. Do I always carry one - no - that's my risk analysis or lack there off.

But my point is to drop the dangerous neighborhood silliness. Once a gun fight starts, by definition all neighborhoods are dangerous. If yuppie moms or denizens of some crappy part of town are attacking - that's dangerous.
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Old 12-14-2011, 15:01   #20
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Yes, I believe it’s wise to carry a back up gun. There are many good reasons to do so.

Many here at GLOCKTALK will tell you it’s unnecessary, many will tell you it’s a good idea.

I do because what if you lose your primary weapon in the course of a fight? A back up gun could save your bacon. I don’t see a down side to having a back up.
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Old 12-14-2011, 15:04   #21
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Carrying a BUG can be argued the same as why would you carry a gun in the first place. Rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
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Old 12-14-2011, 15:16   #22
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He was talking about 1911's.

But seriously. Why not carry two BUG's? Three? A backup makes sense when you are LE or Mil and your weapon is a first line tool. As a civilian your pistol is at least your third or fourth line of defense. At that level carrying yet another gun is pointless.

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Old 12-14-2011, 15:48   #23
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But seriously. Why not carry two BUG's? Three? A backup makes sense when you are LE or Mil and your weapon is a first line tool. As a civilian your pistol is at least your third or fourth line of defense. At that level carrying yet another gun is pointless.
I hope you are kidding or just haven't thought this out. Do you really want to live where ANYONE'S, much less a LEO's FIRST line of defense is a gun. I thought LEOs are suppose to be held to an even HIGHER standard of conduct then a non-LEO. I guess with that line of thinking, it explains a lot of bad conduct by bad LEOs. And before anyone jumps in with wrong assumptions. I am NOT saying that all LEOs are bad, only some. The unfortunate thing is, the bad ones are the ones that stick out and give all LEOs a bad name. So the only thing I would say to the good LEOs is, if you are doing nothing to weed out the bad LEOs, then you deserve the bad reputation they give you.
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Old 12-14-2011, 18:17   #24
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It's not the dangerous neighborhood argument. If it's dangerous, don't go there.

The argument is the same as the Israeli carry, extra mag debate.

1. You probably don't need a gun much
2. If you do, you probably won't shoot it.
3. If it is a some financially motivated crook, deterrence with one gun probably works.
4. But what if you get into a really intensive critical incident - and this does happen:

a. You can't get at your dominant gun - injury or grabbed. Ever notice how folks get shot in the gun hand in FOF?
b. Your primary bellies up. Happens all the time in matches, so it's a possibilty.

Thus, the bug is for the screwup in a really intensive incident. Not the waving a gun at a mugger at a distance who flees.

You decided the risk level you want to deal with. You probably don't need a gun at all.

But if you get into a serious fight - do you want to be prepared for the screwups? There are quite small bugs that probably won't impact you much. Yes, they don't have MEGABLASTER stopping power for that meth head, zombie, giant football coach who is love with you.

I suggest a NAA 22 S minirevolver (that's joke - I have one). A 380, J frame, small 9 - they work. Do I always carry one - no - that's my risk analysis or lack there off.

But my point is to drop the dangerous neighborhood silliness. Once a gun fight starts, by definition all neighborhoods are dangerous. If yuppie moms or denizens of some crappy part of town are attacking - that's dangerous.
I agree, good post.

Guns fail. I have seen it time and time again on the range. Glocks, Sigs, Beretta's etc..Sometimes reliable guns jam. Bad mags and ammo are most common cause.
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Old 12-14-2011, 20:35   #25
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